2.4 Whining, no, this is trying to clarify whether my friends with a rusted-out truck with a 350/TH350 that was got for free, an old circle-track car for scrap value and an odd collection of barnyard body parts *would be allowed* is worth their summer off t build or not, isn't THAT Is the original intent of this thread, no?
The way those friends have put it forth from reading what John and several others have claimed in other forums is that their "circle track modified" is a TUBE FRAME CAR - and so they just put it off. AND No, they aren't interested in buying a pinto/wartburg/e30, they have what they have.
...and then they actually GO to a Lemons race and see the MTGT...
and then one calls and says "did you see the HotRod article and?"
~get the drift?
Unibody/G body, I can't get 'em straight - I'm a *foreign car* kind of dude. My bad. I mean "body-on-frame" and "subframe-connected-by-tubes" Circle track rules. The fomer is what is in question, the latter is definitively "Tube frame". My bud's have a Pontiac Zyzx with Body-on-frame and a Chevy Grghgy with unibody and subframes - I used the wrong car names. again, My bad.
Hoverducky and Fleming?
Easy to win? what are you smoking dude? Rules to make it easy to win? go smoke some more...
The 400TWI is just a thought, and somehow you made it into I want a 400page book from Bernie Ecclestone - give me a break...
...Maybe a new class "AA" or whatever for "SuperLemons" - but I still think we're seeing speed-creep and reliability creep due to several factors and this is just one of them.
...serious though, even the speed/reliability creep in class "C" is pretty notable.
I ~LIKE~ driving a POS VW Beetle, and am not going after class "A" - hell, I'm not going after class "C"...
- but maybe, just maybe, others want to be *competitive* w/o quite so much... ground-up build-it-from-scratch necessity? Maybe they want to buy parts, sell parts and throw them on *an existing platform* and *have a chance* that isn't just waiting for another team to have a break-down? Or maybe they're from some dark midwestern hole-in-the-wall, have a field with old beat-up circle-track cars, are on unemployment and want to have the *same* pride of "we built it" that many of us do... are they in or are they out? I SEE that discussion need being made... maybe you can't.
whoever made the (I hope it's a) joke about showroom stock SCCA - haha you're ~funny~ (laughing hiccups)
Fish - it's still that it's not a "just a hobby" for you... it may not be BMR racing, but it is a shop where it's "what you do".
It Maybe is not as a number one income, but then still an income *manufacturing* cars.
Again, Read it to say Professional, built by a professional.
~and yep - that is praise and envy, and if I could, I would, but I can't, and I don't have the pal-base with anyone who can - hence the team (and car) I have, so I don't.
Gnometech - you misread somewhere - yep, I know you built it in a side garage, and I know you guys blew up a gazzilion engines and I just shake my head at where they come from because I have yet to source a single bike motor cheap - but I know they're out there so I just shake my head... same can be said for angry hamsters (but I get dizzy wondering why they pounded the V- engines so long)
BTB If you come across a 250 electric start anything, I have a pit-bike need. I haven't found one for under $350 that runs... and I can only afford trade or obscenely cheap...
As for "Three months building" somewhere up there - how many of YOU have spent hella more time on that *converted* crap-can you're driving than three months? I bet there are lots. I see enough threads of "I have a new car" and then only see the car the next *year* to know a LOT of time goes into all of our projects. Three months to do something like an MTGT? again, professional. Gnometech? care to weigh in on how much fab time? sheesh.
~thinking~ If you have less than that in a converted-not-fabricated car you're probably not in the top of class "A". THAT is a 2.4 argument...
LOL on the Chevy Monza - I want one!
Jallopyshoppe from above somewhere - (quote) added "nerf barfs" care to reconsider the wording? I hope/don't think you meant that...
( I realize you need what you have for safety - please reword!)
3.13: Nerf Bars Not Allowed: Added structural elements that extend past the original bodywork line are not allowed. In other words, no nerf bars, wheel-protection cages, or crash bars.
I missed a bazzillion post-reposts but I think it's covered.
What I'm getting here:
MTGT is Cool
- Yep thumbs up
some sorts of Ex-Circle track cars are not cool (old-school cheap modifieds at the top of list)
- I, and some others, think that judgement is uncool.
Fab-ing from the ground-up is/is not entirely "in the spirit of Lemons"
- no further comment, that seems like POV and $$ available determined answers
"tube frame" does not necc. mean anything with more tubes than frame... and if there is a VIN
- no "official" word *in rules* on this - read unresolved. By example, MTGT has opened Pandora's..