JS - fish, dave, et al - I was going to PM you on this but I think it's better here, if not fuggin obvious in an obtuse way...
Proof, excuse and logic are difficult things. 'specially when arguing why a car should be in Lemons w/o BS laps or not.
I felt the need to point out that the rules allow tube-on-full-frame cars. You've done it...
I *think* I had to ruffle your feathers in a way that made you elaborate exactly what your shop is, what your car is and how it came to be
>the HotRod mag makes it sound like it's a cheater, sort of/mostly.
>I've had had students at CCSF ask things like "I hear you do Lemons - how do they allow *that*?" (other friends, too, but my school-dudes *don't do Lemons and asked!
>peeps here have made noise (this header for example) that they had issues similar
>peeps "from higher authority" have said directly/explicitly/implicitly "no tube frames"
>I'd a'liked to be able to what I illustrated earlier
...and then, I don't think that if it were approached another way (scripted, pm'd and edited, etc) there would not have been the feedback this issue needed from the forum of culprits and criminals here...
I apologize for being all ass-holiness, but the only way I could think of to make the point that what MTGT is is a circle-track tube-on-frame car made by hobbyists or in hobby-time was to pound a point using you as fodder - Your reputation, even the moniker "JalopyShoppe", and especially the HotRod article hung you out to dry, sorry...
Backhanded compliment, yep - but dude, I'm not likely to be coming over to your place fer a friendly beer unannounced, as I don't think we run in the same packs - and I DID NOT want to PM warn you As mentioned per Above - that's how *I* am.
one more time, yes - I think, and the whole point of this issue was to point out that "it has been done, so" that a tube-on-frame car is still a "mass-produced" car, and that it should be allowed, hooptie factor determining the BS laps w/o "it's-a-tube-frame" bias.
note on JS last post:
The advantage of the circle track tube-on-frame you speak of -
1. *That/the ones I'm talking about* rules-category circle-track car was not/was-specifically-forbade offset-by-design for left turns. It was a badly converted left-right car. As in it was "just a frame with safety equipment" that could be set up for anything a "regular/normal" car could.
~ I've seen a Gremlin adaptation of one of these take FTD at an autocross...
2. the rules changed so they are cheap.
3. they take just about any american iron (cheap) v-8
4. they take just about any leaf-spring (cheap) rear end.
5. you could hang just about any mid-sized car sheet metal on them with a sawzall and a screw-gun (more or less) and them becomes unlimited.