51 (edited by jimeditorial 2009-09-05 07:40 AM)

Re: Best Lemons Cars

Solracer wrote:
jimeditorial wrote:

How about a VW 411? I'm on the lookout for a Chevette Diesel myself......

Like this one? It's even nearby to me and is $850:

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1357139983.html

A couple of others but both going for a lot more than I can ever imagine any Chevette going for ($2200 and $1200):

http://nmi.en.craigslist.org/cto/1337877909.html

http://iowacity.en.craigslist.org/cto/1311447288.html

And one in Canada but also *way* too expensive ($2000):

http://abbotsford.en.craigslist.ca/cto/1324414542.html

And I thought they were all gone! Probably no coincidence that they're mainly West coast cars...maybe I can get a Diesel out of a Bobcat and drop it into my Mustang...

Jim "Endo" Anderton
30 years of racing and still not Brambilla.....

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MurileeMartin wrote:
ifb_mole wrote:

How about a large - by Japanese standards - Cressida, Maxima, Mazda Comso or RX-4 - how do the "big" Japanese 4 doors fair?  too common, not "clunky" enough?  What say ye all

I say hell yes! We've had a real shortage of Japanese luxury so far. Never seen a Cressida or Maxima. One apiece Q45 and LS400.

I have a friend who has a $100 Maxima that he has been Rallycrossing.  I think he will turn it into a Lemons ride for 09.

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The best Lemons vehicle unfortunately got scrapped before I could rescue it and shove it in the barn for next year.

A friend of mine picked up a '94 Pontiac Trans Sport van with a factory 5 speed manual and HO quad 4.  I guess it was imported from Europe.  He got it for $80 because of a slight rod knock.

We told him wed pay scrap value for the van, yet he trashed it anyway...

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danio3834 wrote:

The best Lemons vehicle unfortunately got scrapped before I could rescue it and shove it in the barn for next year.

A friend of mine picked up a '94 Pontiac Trans Sport van with a factory 5 speed manual and HO quad 4.  I guess it was imported from Europe.  He got it for $80 because of a slight rod knock.

We told him wed pay scrap value for the van, yet he trashed it anyway...

Wow. The only u-body that could hope to compete would be the China-only Chevy GL8.

"This is the scene where I get shot," Bronson said. "I have these little squibs that explode to make it look like bullets are hitting." "Fascinating," said Bergman. "I never knew how they did that." "You mean," asked Bronson, "you don't use machine guns in your movies?"

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Anybody seen an "Iraqi Malibu?" GM Canada sold a fleet of four door Malibus (1981?) with A/C and a three-speed floor shifted manual trans....Saddam backed out on the deal and they were deep discounted at Chevy dealers up here...probably a pretty rare car down there.....

Jim "Endo" Anderton
30 years of racing and still not Brambilla.....

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jimeditorial wrote:

Anybody seen an "Iraqi Malibu?" GM Canada sold a fleet of four door Malibus (1981?) with A/C and a three-speed floor shifted manual trans....Saddam backed out on the deal and they were deep discounted at Chevy dealers up here...probably a pretty rare car down there.....

I was at an RM auction in Toronto a while ago and one went through the block.  The car had an SBC and a 3 on the floor.  I assumed that someone had put that combo in it post factory.  I guess not. 

Cool bit of info.

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I've read all of this and our team (Intervention Motorsports) is thinking about a 4-cylinder Fox Mustang.We like cheap parts and good gas mileage. What's the downside here?

Richard Newton

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Richardnew wrote:

I've read all of this and our team (Intervention Motorsports) is thinking about a 4-cylinder Fox Mustang.We like cheap parts and good gas mileage. What's the downside here?

Richard Newton

None. Bring it

"This is the scene where I get shot," Bronson said. "I have these little squibs that explode to make it look like bullets are hitting." "Fascinating," said Bergman. "I never knew how they did that." "You mean," asked Bronson, "you don't use machine guns in your movies?"

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the Fox bodies are good choices. They have done well in the past. you can get a bolt in cage.
parts are everywhere.  You may wish for more power in the strights. But with 100 cars I feel being nimble will be a better way to go. ( Dpends on the track)

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4-cylinder Mustangs get around the track about as fast as the V8 ones.

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Judge Jonny wrote:
Richardnew wrote:

I've read all of this and our team (Intervention Motorsports) is thinking about a 4-cylinder Fox Mustang.We like cheap parts and good gas mileage. What's the downside here?

Richard Newton

None. Bring it

Wow, positive feedback on a car that isn't French or some other obscure POS by Jonny.

Must have been a good weekend.

Troy

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1973 Datsun 240Z

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Richardnew wrote:

I've read all of this and our team (Intervention Motorsports) is thinking about a 4-cylinder Fox Mustang.We like cheap parts and good gas mileage. What's the downside here?

Richard Newton

The main downside is that they are down right sloooooooow no matter what you do. The good things are that they are very reliable, parts are cheap & plentiful in the junkyard, (mustang, ranger B2200 all share the 2.3), and all the V8 mustang chassis parts fit (V8 brakes/springs/sway bars people just throw that crap away). Not the most original or fun car to see at Lemons, but a truely sub $500 shitty car to have to drive everyday on the street that turns into workhorse on the race track.

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http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/03/TopTexans-02.jpg

See this car? 2nd place at the last Houston race, and would have won if not for a Sunday black flag. Pinto engine. Four-cylinder Mustangs are not any slower around the track than the V8 ones in the real world of a Lemons race- seen it proven over and over. Drag racing, you definitely want the V8.

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The Mustang pictured is a 91.  Ours is a 90.  There is a factory 25 hp difference between them.  The 2.3 is a big heavy pig (it weighs nearly as much as the 302) and the 90 and older cars rolled out of the factory with a whopping 88 hp.  Ours worked well in the corners, but was a pig on the straights.  If your on a "fast" track you won't have any fun.  We were in 11th when we cooked the motor in New Orleans, so they can finish well.  Also, there were nine Mustangs out of 95 cars in Houston in March.  I'd hate to see them and E30s being the only cars on track.

We're swapping our 2.3 out for a 302 in the Mustang.  We'll be replacing it with a fox T bird in the off season.  We also built a Fairmont wagon.  Fox Fords can be good Lemons cars, but I can't recommend the 90 and prior 2.3s.

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We are bringing an 1985 Iroc with 99,000 miles.  Its a rust bucket for sure, what specifically blows up on a Camaro? 

BTW I picked up a 1985 Firebird with an iron duke 4 cylinder for the rims and tires for $200.  That car would be horribly fun to drive lol.

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Reliable, almost certain to finish if you drive clean:
Crown Vic, Escort, Volvo 240, Mustang

Winning potential, less reliable:
Toyota Supra/Celica GT-S(80s), Rx7, Neon, Jetta

Epic, unreliable sharts that illicit smiles from the judges' faces:
Anything British, Anything French, Anything Russian, Fieros, ALMOST everything in GM's product portfolio from 1963-1984

Hella cheatin' cop-out cars: E30, Miatas, well, any bmw made after 1993 really...


I think there's 2 ways to truly have fun at a Lemons event, you either bring something that'll keep you on the track turning laps, or you bring something that half of the paddock questions your sanity, the other half laughs, smiles, and offers you food out of pitty.

This all being said, any of these cars listed above are capable of winning as well as keeping you in the paddock the entire event. Develop a strategy, develop a theme, and find team members that are as crazy as you are.

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88-91 honda civic KICK ASS
my car has had 5 races on my little d16 has had 2 top ten finishes
and the lemon demo crx has 3 races on it

The 88-91 are plentiful at wreckers  I bought 3 civics for 1000 for parts and sold off 600 worth of stuff.

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harddriveracing.com wrote:

We are bringing an 1985 Iroc with 99,000 miles.  Its a rust bucket for sure, what specifically blows up on a Camaro? 

BTW I picked up a 1985 Firebird with an iron duke 4 cylinder for the rims and tires for $200.  That car would be horribly fun to drive lol.

The engine overheats and then melts down.  The brakes are junk and they really just...don't...handle all that well.  The Camaro looks good on paper but its a lousy Lemons car.


I'm bringing an 89 RS to Nelson Ledges I like a challange.

Maybe thats why I like British cars as well.

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Chevy Camaro (Tiger striped #38)  (1989-2017 RIP old friend)
Chevy Corvette 1984......and still racing!

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Looking at a Contour SVT...possibly the worst SVT product of all time.

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CBear3 wrote:

Looking at a Contour SVT...possibly the worst SVT product of all time.

SVT Contours are great track cars!  The trans is a bit fragile, but otherwise they are a lot of fun assuming they aren't completely clapped out.

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CBear3 wrote:

Looking at a Contour SVT...possibly the worst SVT product of all time.

I like the Contour SVT I really do,  but my advice is to walk away from that one.  They are hard to work on and some of the SVT specific parts are hard to get (on the cheap and period).

However if you DO show up with a Contour I'll be rooting for you.


I think the best Lemons car thing is still up in the air.  Even cars that traditionally blow up on day one (Fiero, Camaro, etc..)  have had some very good results in some races.  I wanted to try a G-body GM car but the team gave the thumbs down on that one.  At the last race we had one running in the top 3.

That being said my picks:  Ford Interceptor, Ford Escort, Toyota Corrola, BMW anything, and the Ford Mustang would be the cars I would hunt for if your a first time team.  I went with a Camaro simply because between all of us on the team we have LOTS of F-body parts just laying around thanks to the other types of racing we do.

Besides, how hard can it be to keep a Camaro alive for 24 hours?

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Chevy Camaro (Tiger striped #38)  (1989-2017 RIP old friend)
Chevy Corvette 1984......and still racing!

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We got our Camaro into it's new home yesterday. After doing a little research we discovered that it's a '79. It's an old Enduro car from the short tracks of Florida. It starts and drives. At $500 we got for less than we would have paid for a cage in another car.

http://picasaweb.google.com/rfn026/Cama … Dn0ZJqckg#

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CaptainRat wrote:

4.  Mitsubishi anything - their motors are indestructible

Ours wasn't!  And the judges pretty much predicted its demise by floating us through tech.  Like Hondas... street reliability for Mitsus does not equal endurance race reliability.

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Loren wrote:
CaptainRat wrote:

4.  Mitsubishi anything - their motors are indestructible

Ours wasn't!  And the judges pretty much predicted its demise by floating us through tech.  Like Hondas... street reliability for Mitsus does not equal endurance race reliability.

My caltrans/grinch/frogger  has 5 races on the motor in the car with the harmanic balancer welded to the crank .That's bouncing off the rev limiter @7k

Maybe the semi truck radiator helps out the car a bit !!


Just get a real good radiator the biggest  SOB you can install that will help with the overheat issues!!

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Class C win with LemonOdy Cannonball Run Whambulance !EX K Captain
Lemons Trophy Truck ShaGuar Baby!

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danio3834 wrote:
jimeditorial wrote:

Anybody seen an "Iraqi Malibu?" GM Canada sold a fleet of four door Malibus (1981?) with A/C and a three-speed floor shifted manual trans....Saddam backed out on the deal and they were deep discounted at Chevy dealers up here...probably a pretty rare car down there.....

I was at an RM auction in Toronto a while ago and one went through the block.  The car had an SBC and a 3 on the floor.  I assumed that someone had put that combo in it post factory.  I guess not. 

Cool bit of info.

That combo was post factory, at least the SBC was. The original Iraqi Taxi's had the 3.8 V6 in them. The windows the in rear doors were non-functional as well, all they had was a flip open vent window. Very few survived as built when they were finally released to dealers years later as most got the 3spd swapped out for an auto by the dealers.

I had the privilege of owning one of these years ago. It's rear bumper was lost somewhere on hwy 401 after the aluminum mounting brackets decided they had enough of being forced to share the same living quarters as a decades worth of road salt and said screw it we're outta here.

The car's driving days ended when the left front tire decided that years of admiring the concrete divider from afar were too much and was hell bent and determined to at least say hello and rub it's self along it's smooth inviting curves.

I suspect that it was most likely also spurred on by jealous rivalry of the aforementioned bumper mounts as the same section of highway is also were I've always suspected the bumper made it's run for freedom. (Anyone who's spent time on the 401 near the bayview? area would know what I'm talking about. It was constantly under construction and had literally a 12" wide shoulder between the lane and those temporary concrete dividers in a narrow section of the highway, around a bend, and over a bridge section that caused cars with enough speed to want to fly) smile




I've always wanted to take one of these http://fresno.craigslist.org/cto/1476791236.html convert it to rear wheel drive and drop a slant 6 in it...

Hrmm..  Maybe I can find myself k car wagon as well, and mash the 2 together.. take the front end out of the sedan and mount it all mid-engine style in the wagon.. 4wheel drive, 4 wheel steer.. Red Green style.. smile 

For those of you who don't know who Red Green is.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-Lnfpulwjc