Re: Air Compressor - What do you bring to track?

I was watching video yesterday and saw you guys head into the pits on about lap 2 of that full course caution.  I just assumed it was a driver change/fuel stop.

Once the track went back to green, you blew by again, as customary.

I guess the Underbird's (and the Lemonaid E30's) misfortune was your good fortune. smile

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Tango wrote:

So what air compressor do you guys bring?

Mike used to bring his 20 gallon electric, but we too couldn't find a generator powerful enough to keep (get) it running.  Eventually we just stopped bringing the compressor and switched over to hand / electric tools and a small air tank for tires.  Seems to have worked so far (knock on wood).  Call me old fashioned, but I still prefer hand tools 99% of the time anyway.

Our pit neighbors (the guys driving my sister's old Focus) had a really nice electric impact wrench... but just like any other electric tool, they're never fully charged when you really need them.

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Following up on our generator / air compressor issue. I took our 1985 Honda Generator to a shop where they tested it on a load bank.
Turns out that our voltage regulator was bad and needed replacement. They said that extreme heat and multiple spikes in voltage are some reasons that the voltage regulator could have gone bad.
I tested out the 110 V w/ 27A outlet and it powers out 110V 15A air compressor motor no problems at all. We will also test it at Autobahn.

Thanks for all the suggestions.

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Good to know!  Now I'm wondering if I should have someone check out my winch... It sounds like it's on its last leg.

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I thought that about my wife too, turns out all she needed was a swift kick in the ass to get her going again. wink

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Racin_G73 wrote:

Good to know!  Now I'm wondering if I should have someone check out my winch... It sounds like it's on its last leg.

Dave wrote:

I thought that about my wife too, turns out all she needed was a swift kick in the ass to get her going again.

No, he said "winch", NOT "wench"!   smile

Here are some simple visual clues to help you keep them straight:

Winch:
http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~jwb462/winch.jpg

Wench:
http://www.costumekingdom.com/images/Product/medium/12034.jpg

Wrench:
http://images.wikia.com/residentevil/images/3/38/Davidtool.jpg

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Oops, my bad.

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I always find it interesting how many racers are including a 'wench' with their trailer for sale.

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Saw a great portable compressor at the Orange County Model T & A show & pancake breakfast last week

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Racin_G73 wrote:

I always find it interesting how many racers are including a 'wench' with their trailer for sale.

That is interesting.  Usually I find the wench is the reason they're selling the car.  If the wench goes 1st, they plan to keep the car?  S/F....Ken M

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We brought an old craftsman 5HP compressor.    ran off a 5500W generator no problem.  I think the key is the 220V power.  the compressor draws about 18A at 220,o it's well within the 30A 220 outlet capacity.

It's the same compressor as here.    It's probably 20+ years old at this point.   been through one rebuild already, about 8 years ago.    it's a great compressor,and it wasn't even very expensive when my dad bought it.

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we have a hand bike pump...that will work to run air tools right? smile

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Re: Air Compressor - What do you bring to track?

Sorry I'm late to the party.

I have a similar problem with my 15A Sears compressor, it has to be plugged into an outlet next to the breaker box and it still dims the lights when it starts. That compressor (as noted previously) draws 15A at 120v, that is 3000Watts, but that is the baseline running power. It might draw 2 or three times that when starting.

So what happens is that you get the generator running and it runs based on load, so its running at low power (no load) maybe making 2000-3000W out of 5500W. You turn on the compressor which wants 3000x2 or x3 to start so it tries to draw 6KW or 9KW, which it can't because the Watts aren't being made, so the voltage drops and the current spikes and your wiring gets fried. Then the genny picks up to match the load and and the thing runs for a while, but you essentially gave it a heart attack and then it jogged around the block a few times before it falls over dead.

You need
A) a smaller compressor. You just need one to fill the tires. Use hand tools like the rest of us awesome mechanics or get cordless electric impact guns and charge the spare batteries from your genny, which is a nice low constant load. Or get a couple corded electric guns and they will run off the genny, Or
B) as noted, get a lot bigger genny, or
C) get a gas/diesel powered compressor if you really want to stick with air powered tools, or
D) Start the Genny and override the govenor by pulling on the govenor/throttle linkage to have the genny running at max RPM when the compressor starts. You'll need to do this each time the compressor starts or you'll be back to having a dead compressor.

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Re: Air Compressor - What do you bring to track?

Don't forget to consider the capacity of your extension cord, if you're using one.  We had to buy a heavier gauge extension cord to carry enough power for our air compressor when we were using our old generator.

With our new one, being able to plug it into the trailer circuits, it's not longer an issue.  But previously, when we were plugging directly into the generator, a standard extension cord didn't carry enough juice.  Once we picked up the new cord, we were able to run the compressor right after the generator had fired up for the evening.  Once the generator had been running for fifteen minutes, the compressor could no longer 'run' without tripping the generator's embedded breakers.

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