1 (edited by ronman 2012-11-14 08:34 AM)

Topic: My F150 project

Long story short, my friend Mike and I are restoring our friend's old '86 F150 and will be presenting it to him at his wedding in late January. As far as he knows, his old truck is just sitting in the garage where he left it before moving down to the Florida Keys almost a year ago.
"Why pour a bunch of money and labor into an '86 F150?" you might ask, and the reason is because he loves the truck. It was his grandfather's, then his dad's, and then when he turned 16 it was given to him. It has great sentimental value to him. Unfortunately, it's been sitting pretty much since he joined the Army in 1999. When he got out in 2007, he paid to have the engine completely rebuilt. It was going to be our project, but PTSD and my move to Gainesville put the kibosh on that plan, so the motor sat in a garage drowned in assembly lube and tightly wrapped in plastic, and the truck remained outside at his dad's place, parked on a concrete slab, but otherwise completely exposed. The net result of this 12 years of sitting is completely shot paint, a cracked dash, surface rust over the entire chassis, and rust-through in a few locations, all approximately quarter-sized. The worst of it is under the rear window. We have a welder, and can fix sheetmetal - especially small areas. Anyway, his dad wanted it gone last year, so with no engine and the transmission supported on a jack, we had to get it the 4 miles over to Mike's place. We found an old landscape timber and some mechanic's wire, and used that to bridge the fenders (we put the hood, which was just laying in place, not bolted to the hinges) and tied the trans up with the wire, and hooked it up to my tow strap. We quickly discovered - in about 10 feet - that it had no brakes, so we had to come up with something. And about that time another friend of ours, who has a truck that is basically a twin of mine, just with twice the miles on it (406K last time I saw him) and he had the brilliant idea of creating a train, with his dually in front, strapped to the F150 and providing pulling power, while my dually would be strapped to the back of the F150 and coasting in neutral, doing all the braking. This worked remarkably well and soon we had the truck pushed into Mike's garage, where it sat untouched until this month.
Earlier this week, after the discussion that led to our decision to "restore" the truck as a wedding present, we started to triage the thing. The other night's lighting exercise was the first step in that, and now that we can actually see in that part of the garage, it was time to do some work. We pulled the transmission out after hanging the lights and figured out what we needed to do to remove the bed, but we both had to work the next morning, so we called it quits around 2200 and left it alone until today, when I came over after work.

The bed has 6 through-the-floor carriage bolts to attach it to the frame. The rear 4 came off without a hitch, but the fronts were spinning in their holes, and being carriage bolts, our solution to this was to weld a 3/4" nut to the top that could be held with a breaker bar while I worked the impact underneath the truck. Soon we had the bolts loose, and then discovered that the hose clamps for the fuel filler were inaccessible. I decided to cut the hose, which was cracked and dry and in need of replacement anyway, and Mike set to work getting the wiring unhooked. We had to "finesse" the tailgate open, on account of its mostly-seized latch mechanism, so that we could get the taillights out and finish the un-wiring, and with that done we pushed it outside and I brought the tractor around...

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Now relieved of its bed, we pushed it back inside and set about removing the gas tank...

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Note that what looks like thick, scaly rust on the frame is really light-colored dirt road dust mixed with a light surface rust. It rubs off with a simple paper towel, so once we get the cab off and thoroughly pressure-wash the thing, it'll only need a little prep work before a coat of satin black Rustoleum.

Since that went much more quickly than we anticipated, we decided we minus whale get started on the front end. Our goal is to get the truck stripped down to the bare frame, so we can hit it with stiff wire brushes on angle grinders and get it ready for treatment with Ospho and then painting. So, with that in mind, the first thing to do is remove the fenders. Ideally, the plastic inner fender would come out before trying to access the bolts that tie the fender to the bottom half of the core support. I had to use a stubby 8mm Gearwrench and I have several scraped knuckles and bleeding cuticles to show for the driver's fender. When it comes time to find a replacement fender for the pass. side, I'll bear this in mind. Having never removed an F150 fender before, and not yet remembering that we had the Book of Haynes nearby, we started pulling stuff loose. 30 minutes later, we had a completely removed fender to show for it. Cool beans.

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The other side was easier, except for the bolts that go up from underneath, just behind the bumper. The rust on the fender combined with the rust running down from the battery box made this a pain in the ass, but we got it done even faster than the driver's side.

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Next up were the inner fenders, which came off easily and gave us plenty of extra room to work on getting the two big bolts that hold the core support to the frame. Straight 18V impact wasn't working on the nuts, nor was the breaker bar. Proper application of lots of PB Blaster, plus the heat wrench and then some more impact had them loose in a jiffy, and the entire front face of the truck came off in one piece.

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Oh, and during this process, what should fall out of the deep, dark places of the truck but a 5/8" 3/8-drive Craftsman socket. I'm pretty sure I dropped this down in there back in 12th grade.

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At this point I was ready to start cleaning up the firewall, so I figured the best place to start would be the HVAC box. I also wanted to see the heater core, which we had bypassed at some point in the '90s. Not knowing exactly what was involved (but assuming the worst, i.e. dash removal) I decided to once again consult the Haynes. "Remove the glove compartment and locate the 7 screws that retain the heater core cover and remove the core. Installation is reverse of removal."
So saith the book.
So saith we all.

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So, I snatched the heater core out, and yup, it looked fucked.

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Next, after removing all the accessible nuts from the outside of the HVAC box, I had one that was just spinning in the hole. Like the bed, these are also carriage bolts, and this one's square shank was spinning freely in the plastic housing. We finally got it free with Vise-grips holding the end of the bolt and an 11mm wrench making about 3,700 15 degree turns, and the passenger side was basically done.

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Onward next to 0100 and the driver's side, where I pulled the master cylinder (which was leaking, and bone dry - apparently the root cause of the "no brakes" thing I mentioned near the beginning) and inspected the booster. Booster has some nasty paint and a little corrosion on the rod from the exposure to brake fluid, but I don't think it's actually damaged. When I pull it off next time we work on it, it'll get cleaned up and repainted before going back on. I also pulled the proportioning valve and the attached lines that run up to the master cylinder (so they're not just floating there getting snagged on and bent out of shape) and pulled a bunch of emissions and EEC-IV related wiring and crap off. We're chopping the (clogged) cat and eliminating the air pump and feedback emissions controls (I bought a new non-feedback Carter YFA off Craigslist a couple weeks ago for $50 :eek3:) so this is all part of the plan. The computer will be going bye-bye, along with every emissions solenoid and purge canister and vacuum line I can manage to ditch. So, after some cleaning and vacuuming of the cowl, we called it a night. Here's how she sits right now,

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You're probably wondering why there's a bright blue Walmart ATF+4 bottle floating in there. Earlier I noticed some dripping fluid coming out the power steering reservoir cap, and deciding it needed to be drained, I removed the return line from the pump and stuck it in a 2L bottle (which is laying on the floor at bottom left) and spun the pulley. I got a little fluid out, but not a huge amount, and didn't think much of it. Afterall, it's been sitting for 12 years. Fast forward a bit and we need to move the truck around, so Mike is in the cab and I'm pushing, and I see nasty black fluid flying out the open return hose with the quickness. It takes me a moment to figure it out, but I yell for him to stop moving the wheel while I go re-retrieve the 2L and a jack so we can pump out the gearbox. I knew we couldn't possibly get it all out, so I wanted to cap it off. I grabbed a bolt and was going to simply shove it in the rubber hose and tighten down a clamp on it, when I saw the rubber strain-relief grommet for the extension cord we made for the welder the other day laying on a shelf. It looked like it would fit in the empty ATF bottle in the trash can, so I checked and sure enough, it was a tight, snug fit. I was even happier when the 3/8" rubber return line fit perfectly into the grommet. It's a wonderful solution IMO. cool

So, tomorrow (Sunday, today technically I suppose) I've got to pick up my co-worker's girlfriend's Yaris to do a water pump, belt and valve cover gasket. The money from that will go into the garage budget, and will likely be used on a paint gun and a decent air random-orbital sander. After that I have to take the Yaris and the tow dolly back, so we probably won't get a chance to work on the truck again til Wed. When we do, I'm going to pull the brake booster, the clutch cylinder, the bulkhead connector and the parking brake cable so we can prepare to lift the cab. I've also gotta pull the seat out so we can reduce the cab's weight for lifting. I think we're gonna jack it up enough to slide 2 10' 4x4s - one by the front mounts and one by the rear mounts - underneath it and then screw an eyebolt into the end of each board so I can attach big ratchet straps to make sort of an a-frame with another 4x4 laying across the roof with the straps slightly slack. Then I'll use another strap around the roof 4x4 to hook to my loader bucket and then off it'll be. I don't want to strap around the doors, or through the windows, or anything else that might cause body damage. I think my method (which is a modification of what seems to be the preferred method on the truck forums I've looked at, i.e. stuff two boards longer than the track of the truck under the cab, jack it up from those a corner at a time and then roll the frame out from underneath) will eliminate the chance of fucking something up too badly.
/knock on wood
At least it'll be easy to put the motor and trans in with no body in the way.

So, yeah. I'm rebuilding a 175K 1986 6cyl/4sp F150 with a vinyl seat, crank windows and a rubber floor as a wedding present for one of my oldest and best friends, and I have until January 15th to finish. http://www.crownvic.us/forum/images/smilies/new/ponder.gif

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Next work day, just some garage cleanup... oh and I started pressure washing the frame.

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So, my point in posting this is not just to show pictures, but to enlist the Lemons Nation's expertise in low-budget bodywork and coatings.
As stated above (at least I think, I can't remember what I wrote up there) we're gonna treat the frame post-wire brushing and post-disassembly with phosphoric acid and then a coat of epoxy primer. Then we can paint it with whatever rust-inhibitive paint we decide on, probably Rustoleum or Tractor Supply brand matte black, cut 1:1 with hardener added and sprayed with an HVLP gun.
The body is remarkably straight for its age, so the only major bodywork is the repair of a couple of small rust holes (we've done sheetmetal repair before and have "mastered" the plug weld technique for replacing floorboards) and the prepping of the very heavily-surface rusted hood and roof panels. I'm hoping we can get away with a filler primer, but if we have to break out the mud to create a smooth surface for primer and paint, then that's what we'll do.

Any advice you guys have is greatly appreciated!!

Particular areas of interest:
Conversion to "normal" Ford electronic ignition (I think we've got this mostly figured out but feel free to chime in)
Best/cheapest rust inhibitors
Body finishing
Suspension rebuild tips (specifically the use of poly bushings vs rubber)
Anything else you can think of.

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4 (edited by Drdanteiii 2012-11-14 09:18 AM)

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I sprayed our Merkur with the gallon can of rustoleum from Lowes. We sanded the existing paint quickly and poorly with a palm sander and 220 grit paper to rough it up first.  Then blew it off with compressed air, and had at it with the paint.  We cut the paint with laquer thinner until it sprayed semi-nicely out of my harbor freight HVLP gun.      It came out as a light-textured coat, but it looked great (enough). 

here are 2 crappy pics...

before
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after
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I'd assume with further thinning of the paint , proper surface prep, and 2 thin coats with sanding in between, it could be a passable paint job.




Also, poly bushings are great for a firmer more controlled ride, but they will squeak sooner, and wear faster than good OE style rubber bushings which routienly last for decades and 150k+ miles.  If you were building it for racing, go poly, but as a DD/crusisng/work truck, just go with good quality rubber bushings.

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The reason I asked about poly is because Summit has an Energy Suspension kit that has almost all of the bushings included for like $139, which is way cheaper than buying the rubbers piecemeal. I think... I've only checked for body mounts so far.

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I haven't tried it but I know alot of people who swear by POR 15.  Supposed to be a step up from rustoleum, bit thicker and also less chance of chipping,  no color choice, but sounds like you are looking for black anyway.  Something you might want to look into.

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BoB wrote:

I haven't tried it but I know alot of people who swear by POR 15.  Supposed to be a step up from rustoleum, bit thicker and also less chance of chipping,  no color choice, but sounds like you are looking for black anyway.  Something you might want to look into.

POR is great for frames and other stuff that wont see direct sunlight, but it breakds down pretty quick when exposed.

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My issues with POR15 are threefold.
1.) Cost. - almost 3x as much to do it with POR vs Rustoleum or similar product
2.) Aesthetics - Por15 has a distinct shiny, not-quite-tarlike appearance that I personally find incredibly ugly.
3.) Application - I've been told that when reduced for spraying POR15 calls for an outside air supply due to its toxicity.

And really, a fourth concern is that it's still going to be in Florida. It will never be driven on a beach, and while it will have constant exposure to salt air due to it being in the Keys, it will be washed regularly. I hear you on the user testimonials, though, for sure. Everybody uses the stuff, but how many of them have actually tried another product? Another consideration is that I see they now have a "satin black" POR15,

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We used POR-15 on the RX2 fuel tank.  It was in really, really crappy shape before we treated it.

Not the application you are looking for but - WOW it really did a great job.

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10 (edited by dculberson 2012-11-14 12:19 PM)

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POR15 is also not UV stable so it should be top coated.  Yes your frame doesn't see a lot of UV light but it does see SOME.  Rust Bullet is UV stable but it's silver, which I think, on a frame, is even worse than a greasy tar shiny black.  Given this is Florida, I bet a good solid coat (or 2-3 coats) of Rustoleum would be just fine.

I gotta agree that for a daily driver, rubber bushings are the better bet.  I've only used poly in a couple things and both times they ended up squeaking and it drove me nuts.  I've heard that if it's a non-rotational force then it's not as likely to squeak, but one of my experiences was with a Miata's sway bar end links and they squeaked like mad.  Maybe there's a rubber set out there for similar pricing to the Energy bushings?  The Energy bushings are cheap since they don't include the shells to the bushings - you push out or burn out the old rubber then push in the poly.  Saves money but costs a lot of time.  I'll do a little searching and see if I come up with a rubber bushing set for your application.

Good job on a cool present for a friend.  I hope it goes well, and look forward to reading your updates.

Edit: What about Eastwood's Chassis Black?  I have no experience with it but they have a satin black UV stable in quarts:

http://www.eastwood.com/ew-chassis-blac … uarts.html

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I like Eastwood's rust products, and I've heard they stand up better than POR15. 

Looking forward to moar pics of the truck as it transforms...

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We're definitely going to go with Eastwood's product that's made for limited access areas... basically a spray can with a long tube and an omni-directional nozzle that you stick up inside of whatever, and let 'er rip, as it were. There are several places where there's no way to even think about getting with a regular gun or even a small brush.

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There are several F series trucks in our family.  IIRC the two 2WD trucks are both using poly radius arm bushings.  Neither of the trucks suffer from squeaky bushings.  Pretty sure that one of the trucks we used rubber first, wore those out and then installed the poly bushings.  I also have several sets of poly cab bushings but have only used the bushings under the rad support.  Kind of afraid to dig into the main cab bushings....

For the frame I've used both POR15 and Rustoleum.  POR15 worked better by far.  When I used POR15 I bought Metal Ready, the grey POR15 and the satin black top coat.  Pressure washed most of the crap off the frame like you did then used Metal Ready and POR15.  Just brushed the POR15 on with cheap 2" brushes from Harbor Freight/Lowes/Home Depot and it self-leveled to a really nice finish.  With the Rustoleum I used the red rusty metal primer over a pressure washed frame.  Then top coated with grey Rustoleum.  Again using 2" throw-away brushes.  The really rusty spots on the frame bled through in less than a year.  I'll admit that the '92 F250 has at least 425K miles and is used to plow a couple driveways in the winter.  But I think had I used the POR15 product line it would have lasted longer...but cost more up front.

Nice work so far...

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Poly bushings should be fine. They will make for a bit stiffer ride, but they last and are pretty easy to work with.

Are you going to modify the suspension at all? Lower the truck?

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Another somewhat productive day... and we only spent $80 on lumber. :retard:
It was for a good reason, though. We got the cab off the bed safely and now it's on a giant dolly that we can roll around in the garage and, if need be, lift with the loader and move around to another area or put up on tall stands. It's significantly lighter than I guesstimated. We're hoping we can find another bathroom scale so we can weigh the damn thing, sans seat. I'm guessing it's in 350-400lb neighborhood. The rear cab-to-frame bolts fought the whole damn way, and we wound up cutting one of them off with the sawzall when the impact wasn't doing the job. Eventually got it, though, and set to rigging the whole thing. Lifting was accomplished by 4 men, while the fifth slid the two 4x4x10s in between the cab and the frame. Once these were in place, the 12x12x12" 2x12 lifting boxes were put in place with tall jackstands on top of them, and the cab was again raised up using manpower while the fifth aligned the stands. At full extension we were *JUST* not quite there, so we had two people stand on the frame to compress the suspension so the frame would slide under the 4x4 outriggers. Once that was done, our two big helpers (Greg and Tim, my roommate) had to take off, so we set about transforming the 4x4x10s into a dolly with some casters and a scrap 2x8. Once that was screwed into place we commenced lowering the newly-liberated cab onto the floor, using a combination of manpower, leverage, and eventually, a jack.
Tomorrow night will be the final bit of pressure washing, and the start of wire-brushing (via angle grinder, of course) the frame. I haven't yet decided if we're going to pull the rear end to get a better frame paint coat or not, but I'm leaning towards doing it since it's only held in by 6 bolts (7, if you count the little guy that holds the equalizer down to the pumpkin.)

Also note the two 2x4s longitudinally positioned under the cab. Those were used to provide leverage to lift the front and back of the cab up during positioning of the stands. We just never pulled them back out once we were done.

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Greg "supervising" Tim trying to remove the driver's rear cab mount bolt, before figuring out that there's a head to that bolt inside the cab.
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Tim still hasn't figured out that there's a head on that bolt that's free-spinning under the seat
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Greg felt compelled to sit in the truck after we pulled the seat out.
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4x4s under the cab now.
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Stands on top of their blocks (note the d/s rear cab mount bolt still sticking up defiantly after its date with Mr. Sawzall, and after three of us beat on it with a 4# sledge trying to knock it down through the frame)
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Mike did most of the heavy lifting. The man is a horse.
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Once we got the stands set we aired the rear tires down to about 8psi and added some weight to the frame to get the rear upkick at the axle to clear.
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This was largely successful.
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Greg once again enjoying the lack of a seat...
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Brainstorming just how the heck we're gonna get it down now
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4x4s centered along the cab centerline and dolly wheels installed
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Home stretch!
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On the floor, finally.
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How it sits tonight.
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Got a late start tonight but in the 3 hours I was over there working, we got about 1/2 of the frame done - everything up to the rear crossmember for the cab. Plenty of access issues, so we're gonna have to do the best we can with a hand-operated brush and then spray the rust encapsulator shit on there and hope for the best. I have to work tomorrow (today) and Sunday, so Mike is going to finish pressure washing the frame in the daylight tomorrow, and do some more grinding.

We also pulled the back window out to see what was underneath (remember that the main rust concern I have is right under the back window at the seams...)
So after figuring out how the seal works, and taking all the rear window trim and the gun rack out, we got the lay of the land. And it ain't pretty. The factory's welds at the intersection of the roof panel, the door frames and the back panel are BUTT TURRIBLE and have completely rusted away. Also, the seams at the bottom of the window, where the bottom rear cab panel (the bit that's hidden by the bed) are pretty well trashed, and indeed probably close to half of the recess the window sits in has actual rust-through. So that's gonna be fun to fix. Still not sure how that's gonna happen, since we don't have an English wheel or planishing hammer or even a sheet metal brake (it's an '80s F150, there aren't many curves.) Probably lots of hammering and test-fitting, I suppose. Fortunately Mike's a better welder than me.

I didn't get pictures of the window recess, because I was lazy and didn't feel like walking over to get the camera out of my truck again. I'll get them after work today, so you can see what I'm dealing with and hopefully offer some sage advice.

Some detail of the rear part of the frame
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More detail, up close so you can compare the "finished" metal (top) to the post-pressure-washing metal (bottom)
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Me, sitting on a cinderblock and working on the other side of the truck.
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Yup. The fan wasn't doing anything at that point because a (cold [it was 56]) breeze started blowing stiffly enough to usurp the fan's duty of blowing the grinding dust away from my face.
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You might try rust reformer as a base coat for the frame. I use it to treat and prevent rust on both my vintage Allstate trailer frames after hitting them with wire wheels. I also use it on the bare metal of the Bee's rollcage, then topcoat it with paint. The combined finish is pretty damn tough, and no rust after getting beat up by spare engines and siting out in the elements for 4 years. Don't really need all the rust off, just the heaviest scale which makes it nice for problem-access areas.

I find it cheapest at Wallyworld.

http://www.plumbersurplus.com/images/prod/6/Rust-Oleum-215215-rw-161334-259385.jpg

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Re: My F150 project

I'll check that stuff out, Pete. Thanks for the suggestion. cool

Mike did some more pressure washing on the frame, but his wife and kids beckoned so he didn't get to finish. He did get another 4 feet of frame ground down, though, so that's progress. He also took a trip to Autozone and had them print out the parts history of the truck in their system, and discovered that the drag link, d/s tie rod end, and a few other parts had lifetime warranties. By the time I got over there after work he had the steering linkage disassembled and the parts ready to go trade in, so we took a ride up and got those parts, plus a vacuum-advance distributor because we have no concept of when we're going to actually put the motor and trans on the frame.

After that trip I decided we should pull the dash, and within about 90 minutes, the whole thing was out. The biggest issue we ran into was getting the wiper and headlight knobs off their shafts. Fortunately Mike's wifi signal reaches out to the garage, so a few minutes with Mr. iPad showed the solution and we didn't run into any more problems.

Also did some additional rust triage. The only other major problem area we found is where the floorpan meets the firewall and fresh air intake on the pass side. That particular spot shouldn't be too hard to fix...

D/S lower window frame
http://www.ronman.org/pics/f150/IMG_0138.jpg

D/S upper window frame/roof panel detail
http://www.ronman.org/pics/f150/IMG_0139.jpg

Looking up at last pic
http://www.ronman.org/pics/f150/IMG_0140.jpg

Rear window recess
http://www.ronman.org/pics/f150/IMG_0141.jpg

P/S lower window frame
http://www.ronman.org/pics/f150/IMG_0142.jpg

P/S upper window frame/roof panel detail
http://www.ronman.org/pics/f150/IMG_0143.jpg

P/S rain gutter viewed from rear
http://www.ronman.org/pics/f150/IMG_0144.jpg

Our starting point
http://www.ronman.org/pics/f150/IMG_0145.jpg

It took many, many whacks with a 5lb sledgehammer to knock these obstinate cab mounts off the frame.
http://www.ronman.org/pics/f150/IMG_0146.jpg

Dash on its way out
http://www.ronman.org/pics/f150/IMG_0154.jpg

The cab, liberated of its dashly oppression
http://www.ronman.org/pics/f150/IMG_0155.jpg

P/S front cab corner detail; the large hole bottom-center is the front cab mount, the firewall is obvious, and the lower door hinge bolts are visible, providing additional viewer orientation.
http://www.ronman.org/pics/f150/IMG_0156.jpg

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Re: My F150 project

ronman wrote:

The reason I asked about poly is because Summit has an Energy Suspension kit that has almost all of the bushings included for like $139, which is way cheaper than buying the rubbers piecemeal. I think... I've only checked for body mounts so far.

Ron, those are the bushings you should get.

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Re: My F150 project

First, I'll back up Dave (Culberson) Rust Bullet > POR15 all day long.  Top coat with Eastwood chassis black, I've used it, good product.

Second...where is this project taking place?   Your profile says FLA but everyone is wearing Phillies or Penguins shirts.  I'll still work on the assumption you are in FLA but if you are near philly then I'll run the gun on a paint job for you if wanted (as well as bodywork assist)  just let me know.

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This is in Chuluota, FL, Jim, about 25 minutes from KSFB and about 35 minutes from KMCO. Tim is a die-hard Phillies fan, and Mike is from Pittsburgh...

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Re: My F150 project

DC Doug wrote:
ronman wrote:

The reason I asked about poly is because Summit has an Energy Suspension kit that has almost all of the bushings included for like $139, which is way cheaper than buying the rubbers piecemeal. I think... I've only checked for body mounts so far.

Ron, those are the bushings you should get.

So says Doug, so says we all.  Apparently my limited poly bushing experience should be ignored.  I will try them again some time.

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Re: My F150 project

Wow, that truck's in great shape considering its vintage, which takes nothing away from your efforts. Looking good thus far.

I was recently made hip to a product called Fluid Film, which appears to be the sort of DIY rustproofing to use for those who miss the old Ziebart stickers. Without a business account at the local Grainger outlet, I can't pick up the stuff yet as it does have an MSDS sheet and that removes it from the shade tree mechanic realm. It's available in spray cans as well as bulk 1, 5 and 55 gallon containers for sprayer use. And it also can be used with those nice omnidirectional spray heads you pull through the frame rails.

<click> <choke> Whoa. No wonder you don't want to use POR-15; that's a lot steeper than I was bracing myself for. Well, the aforementioned FFilm is priced about 70%(!) less and can be found at a lot of industrial supply dealers. The normal price I've seen is ~$50 for a 1 gallon can, going up to $2500 for the big drums of the stuff.

Re: My F150 project

dculberson wrote:
DC Doug wrote:
ronman wrote:

The reason I asked about poly is because Summit has an Energy Suspension kit that has almost all of the bushings included for like $139, which is way cheaper than buying the rubbers piecemeal. I think... I've only checked for body mounts so far.

Ron, those are the bushings you should get.

So says Doug, so says we all.  Apparently my limited poly bushing experience should be ignored.  I will try them again some time.

It's a squeaky old truck... at least it'll handle a little better.  Imagine what it sounded like when it was dropped off b/f the project!

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Re: My F150 project

The only sounds that came from that truck were the grunts from Ron pushing it off the trailer.

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