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Topic: So, we stopped to look at a Miata...

...and quickly forgot about the Miata. lol

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w106/LowFlyinOK/Cars/20130527_193935_zps8bb01b9b.jpg

This was on a plot of land on the outskirts of Shawnee, OK.

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w106/LowFlyinOK/Cars/20130527_193948_zpsd4ba9cbd.jpg

What is this?

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w106/LowFlyinOK/Cars/20130527_193928_zps1e45a7d8.jpg

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w106/LowFlyinOK/Cars/20130527_193905_zps89db2e52.jpg

...and this?

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w106/LowFlyinOK/Cars/20130527_193844_zps3b15b9b6.jpg

Ol' Gramps on the lot

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w106/LowFlyinOK/Cars/20130527_193834_zps284b47a6.jpg


http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w106/LowFlyinOK/Cars/20130527_193807_zps5ce71714.jpg

THAT"S A HUGE BITCH!

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w106/LowFlyinOK/Cars/20130527_193752_zps36c561f3.jpg

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w106/LowFlyinOK/Cars/20130527_193717_zpsc2342897.jpg

Bradley?

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w106/LowFlyinOK/Cars/20130527_193656_zps510ed352.jpg


All of the cars on the front of the plot had For Sale signs on them.  Not sure about the rest of the "junk".

Was a great stop!

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Re: So, we stopped to look at a Miata...

not a bradley, a Saab Sonet.

Pretty cool old iron out there.

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Re: So, we stopped to look at a Miata...

The yellow car is a Muntz Jet and the small convertible two-seater is a King Midget Model III.  As Baron pointed out, the orange "Bradley" is a SAAB Sonett III.

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Re: So, we stopped to look at a Miata...

Neat...

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Re: So, we stopped to look at a Miata...

Looks like a couple of Jags behind the Sonett

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Re: So, we stopped to look at a Miata...

WOW.  What was he asking for the Muntz Jet??

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Re: So, we stopped to look at a Miata...

I could only see a couple of prices.  All of the FS signs were handwritten.

Might be going back this weekend to talk to him about the Studebaker Commander. smile

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Re: So, we stopped to look at a Miata...

I'd like to know more about the Eshelman Adult Sport Car visible in the background just above the radiator of "Ol' Gramps" (the '28 Chevy).

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Re: So, we stopped to look at a Miata...

LowFlyin wrote:

I could only see a couple of prices.  All of the FS signs were handwritten.

Might be going back this weekend to talk to him about the Studebaker Commander. smile

Ask about that Sonet, Id give a shiney nickle for it.

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Re: So, we stopped to look at a Miata...

Yeah but the Miata?   hmm

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Re: So, we stopped to look at a Miata...

miatas are every day, but saabs are forever.

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Re: So, we stopped to look at a Miata...

those jags!

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Re: So, we stopped to look at a Miata...

Is this a Morris Oxford?
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y164/ChrisBrame/second/20130527_193935_zpscdc9f9df.jpg
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Re: So, we stopped to look at a Miata...

mharrell wrote:

I'd like to know more about the Eshelman Adult Sport Car visible in the background just above the radiator of "Ol' Gramps" (the '28 Chevy).

The Adult Sport Car?

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Re: So, we stopped to look at a Miata...

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The Adult Sport Car?

Words fail me.

http://gogd.tjs-labs.com/pictures/car-post-04-09-1955-129-M3.jpg

They look happy.

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Re: So, we stopped to look at a Miata...

The knowledge this group possesses about the early cars is astounding.  I knew you guys wouldn't let me down. big_smile

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Re: So, we stopped to look at a Miata...

These vehicles were very heavy for their extremely small size. This was in part due to the extensive use of cast parts, which Eshelman thought were easier and cheaper to produce than hand formed sheet metal. Identical castings were used front and rear, with a cast toothed grille insert in front and plywood sheet filling the same aperture in the rear.

There was no suspension, no instrumentation, no charging system for the battery, and the brakes were paddles rubbing on the tires: two on the Child’s and four on the Adult model. The drive to one wheel was transferred from the front of the car to the rear via a central enclosed belt and centrifugal clutch. The two floor pedals on the Adult car were a brake pedal (incorporating a clever parking brake) marked "Stop", and a gas pedal marked "Go". Starting was by rope pull, and stopping the engine required reaching into the engine compartment through a hole and feeling for the kill button on the hot engine.
http://microcarmuseum.com/tour/eshelmanadultsport.html


But for the wheelbase rules.....this is almost Lemons ready.



only in this group would someone notice the 1/4 of a car pictured a hundred yards behind the object of the photo, much less ID it as something that almost nobody else has ever even heard of.


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Re: So, we stopped to look at a Miata...

psychoboy wrote:

But for the wheelbase rules....

Indeed.  This is the Child's Sport Car:

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-prn1/c10.10.160.160/554352_249965791778632_1735216306_a.jpg

but the Adult Sport Car isn't all that much bigger:

http://www.autominded.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/1955-Eshelman-Sports-Car.jpg

Getting a waiver might be tricky.

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Re: So, we stopped to look at a Miata...

...and once you get the waiver (or before), how do you go about building a cage?

Something like this > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulHO_dbyBSg

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Re: So, we stopped to look at a Miata...

Back in the day, I had a roommate majorly into Sonnetts.  He had 3.  One was to drive and the others were to provide parts.

He lent me the drivable one for a few days, after making me swear that I would NEVER downshift because those cars had "glass" transmissions. 

I remember him also telling me the timing gears being made out of some weird material that failed quickly (plastic?)  They looked purdy but weren't the most practical things around.

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Re: So, we stopped to look at a Miata...

USAF wench wrote:

...I had a roommate majorly into Sonnetts.  He had 3.  One was to drive and the others were to provide parts.

Yeah, SAABs are like that.  This is my driveway:

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6029/6098032932_9c1bcaef35.jpg

USAF wench wrote:

He lent me the drivable one for a few days, after making me swear that I would NEVER downshift because those cars had "glass" transmissions.

 
Yeah, SAABs are like that.

USAF wench wrote:

I remember him also telling me the timing gears being made out of some weird material that failed quickly (plastic?)

Yeah, SAABs with the V4 are like that.  Only my towing/sleeping 96 has the V4 (the other two are two-strokes); it's the red one with its hood off in the above shot.  The gear at the end of the crank is steel but the balance shaft gear and cam gear are... not.  Cars with factory air conditioning had steel gears and it's a popular aftermarket upgrade, for obvious reasons:

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/08/help_needed_timing_gears_for_saab_v4/DSC02578.jpg

USAF wench wrote:

They looked purdy but weren't the most practical things around.

Yeah, SAABs are like that.

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Re: So, we stopped to look at a Miata...

That gear doesn't look like it is gearing very much. big_smile

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Re: So, we stopped to look at a Miata...

That's the old Auto Museum that's closing down, isn't it? They posted a real clean Sunbeam Alpine on craigslist a couple of months ago that disappeared pretty quickly. It's only about 20 minutes from my house and I haven't gone by to check it out. Maybe I ought to.