[ Closed ] THE PEOPLE'S CURSE RAN!!!!! (Page 3 of 8)

I don't even want to begin to assess that.. what you do in your spare time is your own business

Of course. But there only needs to be a "decision" when there is a question about the rules, or if there is something not addressed in the rules. In this case, the rules are clear. If Jay wants to change the rules, that is certainly his right, but I doubt he would change them in the middle of a race, rather than simply change them after the race, for all future races. A safety issue might be an exception.

I would submit that keeping the People in charge of the curse eliminates realistic accusations of repeatedly targeting specific teams, since different groups will have voted each time. If it becomes an Organizer's Curse, it seems like it would be much easier to make the claim that somebody has it out for you. Also, the Organizers don't see the bad driving, the People do and they know the truth (not making a specific accusation in this case).

Finally, a reminder that in this case, the Organizer's decision WAS to allow the People's Curse, per the rules (though maybe they wouldn't have been "crushed").

Jay?

If our Citation gets the curse at Stafford, I will probably be cheering along with the rest after trying to herd that thing around the track.  "Hit it again!" 

I agree... as much as I wouldn't want to see our blood sweat and tears get crushed, I will probably be laughing harder than anyone else at it being ripped in half should it god forbid happen.  If you gotta go down, best to go in a blaze of glory.

I think John is getting sick of the forums... Either that, or he is secretly scared of the crap i'll give him for his post?

As being an operator of the People's curse and Ryan the other .

Jay is the Godfather here he tells what extent of the damage to do just like the Mafai .

2nd AMP  camaro was going to get a little banged up but when it pulled in paddock did a brakestand and Jay said kill it .

another AMP the BMW was beatup and they got her back on track .

At Thunderhill The Mazadasaurus had been running into everyone at that race and one before and pushed it into the Excavator
So Jay wanted to Prove a point and we killed that one  and there we go .

DON'T SIGN UP IF YOU WANT DEMO DERBY GO TO THE FAIR NOT Lemons

Even SPEC Miatas are only so fast.  A good SPEC Miata has a whopping 120hp.

Yes, the Miata was fast and so were plenty of other cars.  Some of our driver's have had fun with the all 3 cursed Miatas from those guys.  They are quick but there have still been faster cars on the track.

Personally, I don't like the curse.  Maybe it has been necessary before but the Februay race in Houston and this on in New Orleans seemed pretty clean to me. 

Sure people make mistakes but I didn't see repeated, bad behavior.  I earned my penalties for bad behavior. 

I'd really like to know about this "deal" over the curse.  I heard about this at the track too.

Well here's my response to this. While I am NOT a fan of the people's curse where the car gets destroyed, I wouldn't mind that particular car be banned and require to be put on the trailer just like what happened. The whole reason I haven't built a Lemons car myself is the fear of it getting crushed as well. I put a lot of time and money into my street cars AND racecars and no matter what way you slice it, there's going to be blood sweat and tears doing anything involving racing on a budget.

The miata driver was very good. I ran with and passed him back and forth with our best laps on Saturday. I ran our best saturday with a 1:33.3 AND our best Sunday on borrowed tires to a 1:32.7. This is in a REAL Lemons car the 45 light blue 1979 280z car. Yeah, it needs a quart of oil with every refuel. The fuel filter plugged with rust TWICE too. I stuffed that miata in traffic repeatedly and he found a way out MANY times and got back around for the pass. I knew they had a very fast car and that they were sandbagging hard after that session since he could get back around after only a handful more turns. I'm a local and have run hundreds of laps on this track and while he and I were both driving very aggressively, we were being cordial and fair in traffic. I am known to be a very good driver and I can attest, whoever was in the black miata in hour two of saturday was damn fine behind the wheel.

BUT my problem lies here -- I picked up the paper and found 5 miatas for sale locally. NO miatas for $500.00. Actually out of the 5 in there, the cheapest one is $2200.00 and has 147k miles on it! I'm not saying they aren't out there, but this team has magically found 3 of them!! This black one is actually a good looking car (hadn't been wrecked from what I could see) - why would anyone unload a perfectly running driving miata (that didn't smoke at all) for $500? That's where the people's curse steps in.

As far as prep, Miata's sure can go 1:30.2 with good street tires, gutted, and 1 cut coil off the springs - I actually buy that. On top of that the timing can be bumped, and all the other free mods were done, but with his skill level and only that prep it is Definitely possible. It also didn't have to make weight like spec miatas do - he could potentially be FASTER than a spec car in this case. Again, I ONLY question the initial purchase price of the car.

Now someone keeps defending this pink car, but it sure was fast as well, it just wasn't piloted as well.

I personally, feel that there should be some kind of ban on the miatas in this series. It's the ultimate weapon in most budget racing series'. RWD, super light, good power, GREAT handling, cheap to find...but I'd say NO LEMON.

My thoughts,
Patrick Harris

There is a 1 in 100 chance of your car getting crushed..and even then, Jay typically doesnt CRUSH a car unless it REALLY deserves it.  Grow a set

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/1202648892.html

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/cto/1204386421.html

Half of the fun of this series is FINDING the car!  Diamond in the rough.  Ask the Frankenmiata guys how to find a Miata for $500 bucks... Answer:  Buy two wrecked ones and weld them together.  THAT is Lemons to me

Historically, the Miata actually isn't the dominating car in Lemons.  Should we ban any car that has ever won?  BAN Geo Metros!

"Historically, the Miata actually isn't the dominating car in Lemons.  Should we ban any car that has ever won?  BAN Geo Metros!"

Speaking of Geo Metros...  It's clear from our last race that even fast cars can do poorly and slow car can do well.  A Lemons win is a mixture of luck and skill.  The car just has to be competent and after that it's about not breaking it and not getting PENALTIES.  All this other muckety muck about Miata this and Miata that is just silly.  Cars don't win races, teams do.  I never thought the curse was for the biggest cheaters.  I thought it was for the biggest jerks.  If those guys want to pick up there marbles and go home it's their prerogative, they just don't get to come back and play in Jay's sandbox again.  No biggie, there are plenty of fools to take their place.

I don't mind the people's curse.  Its a democratic vote.

If a Miata speeds pass me like I'm standing still and the trailer they are carrying has "Spec Miata" written all over it.....guess what.

I will vote for it everytime.    If they had some balls they would enter in a crappy "non" Miata car and see how well they do then.

Piece out,
Murph
Team ETL (is there a part we haven't blown?!)

First, go here and read each page: http://www.miataturbo.net/forum/t25699/

Then--consider the blue basket case Miata that we bought for $200. We sold $1800 worth of parts off that pile. Paid for our cage right there.