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Topic: Guzzi Fiat Vids and such

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Driveway test before it's first trackday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul8Iew6_TDg

First and only track day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ClN0n67wOQ
[made 2 full laps - front spring collapsed, and of course, overheated]

Lemons BWillow - Friday testing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0MNXVAvDPQ

Lemons BWillow - Friday tech:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yofiMhtsR4
[note at about 2:00, the Fiaguzzi nearly blows the dress off one of our crew]

Lemons BWillow - Saturday race:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0TGuHeWlKA

...more to come.

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Re: Guzzi Fiat Vids and such

Donor Fiat - check rear camber....

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_5h6CHobrkvk/S8vK7GaDZ0I/AAAAAAAAFr0/mxIO9UYdyEA/s640/IMG_0477.jpg

Inside shot - needing some light interior cleaning...

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_5h6CHobrkvk/S8vK8SkkqOI/AAAAAAAAFr0/dh23ri2Yxyc/s640/IMG_0481.jpg

Donor Guzzi - nearly killed ourselves loading the carcass in the trailer...

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_5h6CHobrkvk/S8vK_OaTRfI/AAAAAAAAFr0/8HT8CGU_SEQ/s640/IMG_0488.jpg

Mocking up fitting the 600 flywheel to the guzzi crank...

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_5h6CHobrkvk/S9R5lmMGHWI/AAAAAAAAFPk/1L4fIXck-MI/s640/IMG_0661.JPG

Lining the guzzi motor up to the 600 gearbox for making the adaptor plate...

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_5h6CHobrkvk/TMRfhkKm9CI/AAAAAAAAFr0/D5pCk74oFF8/s640/IMG_0551.jpg

One of these cars is not like the others...

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Re: Guzzi Fiat Vids and such

Great stuff. I would have loved to see some in-car video but I guess the camera would have added too much weight for that car.

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Re: Guzzi Fiat Vids and such

Sweeeet.  If you could fix the cooling issues, that would be a fun summertime toy.

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So Awesome guys and gals!!

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Re: Guzzi Fiat Vids and such

How many HP do you think you have?  That car is AWESOME!

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How many HP do you think you have?  That car is AWESOME!

Looks like the donor was either a Moto Guzzi 1000SP or a Convert due to the floorboards, heel/toe shifter, rear disk brake and 28mm Del Orto carb non-pumper setup. Stock horsepower on them is roughly 60hp +/- according to specs. You could bump it with the big valve heads, carillo rods, agostini timing gears and some 40mm flatslides, but then you'd blow your $$$ limit for Lemons....

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pennintj wrote:
TeamLemon-aid wrote:

How many HP do you think you have?  That car is AWESOME!

Looks like the donor was either a Moto Guzzi 1000SP or a Convert due to the floorboards, heel/toe shifter, rear disk brake and 28mm Del Orto carb non-pumper setup. Stock horsepower on them is roughly 60hp +/- according to specs. You could bump it with the big valve heads, carillo rods, agostini timing gears and some 40mm flatslides, but then you'd blow your $$$ limit for Lemons....

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Correct - is/was a '75 Convert - spec is 70hp, but realistically, probably closer to 60 as stated.   The stock 600 motor was rated at 35hp.  However, the one that came with the car was hopelessly seized, so it would have made 0 hp.

Kept the Convert motor stock due to cost, and the 600 driveline is only good for about 80hp and it starts to explode.  The stock 600 clutch was used, with stronger springs thrown in to the pressure plate.

Kind of the amazing thing is, to make this work, only 2 custom parts were needed - a spacer/adaptor bell to mate the 600 flywheel to the guzzi crank, and an adaptor plate to hang on the guzzi crankcase to give me a place to bolt the 600 transmission onto.  Everything else is stock parts.  Well, ok, the Dellortos would have smacked into the bellhousing, so had to make new straight inlets to hang the carbs on.

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Re: Guzzi Fiat Vids and such

cmice wrote:

One of these cars is not like the others...

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_5h6CHobrkvk/TPJyQzdsZaI/AAAAAAAAFro/HeBxCbPW1fM/s640/IMG_0577.JPG

Well DUH!  The 600 is a hardtop!  big_smile

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Well DUH!  The 600 is a hardtop!  big_smile

Heh - too bad the previous owner cut the roof out to do a Webasto type conversion.  We had to attach the body to the cage to prevent the doors from poping open. wink

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Kind of the amazing thing is, to make this work, only 2 custom parts were needed - a spacer/adaptor bell to mate the 600 flywheel to the guzzi crank, and an adaptor plate to hang on the guzzi crankcase to give me a place to bolt the 600 transmission onto.  Everything else is stock parts.  Well, ok, the Dellortos would have smacked into the bellhousing, so had to make new straight inlets to hang the carbs on.

Chris

According to Mario Colombo's book Moto Guzzi, the original engine was tested in a FIAT Topolino car. First, a five hundred, then a six fifty engine was manufactured, which fitted perfectly to the Fiat's transmission. -- Moto Guzzi Twins Restoration, Mick Walker pg.12

That would've probably been the original v7 engine, later the Eldorado's 750.  The Loop Frame & Tonti Frame are slightly different, but many of the parts are interchangeable. I've even heard that the Convert uses a FIAT torque converter, but have never found a parts interchange...and since I lost my Convert driveline in Katrina (replaced it with Cal III from a wreck) I stopped researching it.

Needless to say, I *lust* after your Fiat. Well done smile

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According to Mario Colombo's book Moto Guzzi, the original engine was tested in a FIAT Topolino car. First, a five hundred, then a six fifty engine was manufactured, which fitted perfectly to the Fiat's transmission. -- Moto Guzzi Twins Restoration, Mick Walker pg.12

And that would be why I knew you could do it.  I should actually buy that book, I think.

Fiat produced a handful of automatics - the 600/multipla came in an icondromerico(?) or automatic version.  But they were known to be absolutely terrible, so I don't imagine the torque converters are very plentiful.

The torque converter in the Guzzi was in two pieces - the hydraulic unit and an adaptor bell that it bolted in to.  I took the hyudraulic unit out of the bell, and used the bell as the spacer/adaptor plate to bolt the 600 flywheel onto.

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Only in Lemons......

Lemons hell, I'm thinking Daily Driver smile

The Guzzi T-engine lends itself really well to car applications. Just look at the Tri-King & Blackjack...

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"Report: Ferrari 458 driver rams, beats up Fiat 600 driver for not allowing him to pass"

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/01/06/repo … er-for-no/

Luckilly, we didn't have this problem. wink

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Montage of videos here:

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p … 2BA66D3DE0

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At least you HAVE floorboards! big_smile
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JK, is this micro-van a secret?  Need moar pics!

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Looks like a Multipla- true labor of love there.

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JK, is this micro-van a secret?  Need moar pics!

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Looks like a Multipla- true labor of love there.

There's a few here, including of the donor.

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Yes it was a sad day when we brought this little gem home.
Truly over 50% of the body is in some kind of rust and decay.
It came with a motor sitting on a piece of plywood in the back.
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