1 (edited by rmcdaniels 2013-03-18 11:37 AM)

Topic: Jailed over Duff Beer Lemons car.

This is the Lemons car:

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We drive the car to/from events, and around town when we want to pick up chicks, so I keep it registered, which in NC requires an annual state inspection. I took the car for the state inspection, and the guy failed it basically without looking at it. Plus he failed it for stuff like not having an EGR valve, which the car didn't come with in the first place, as well as for not having stuff that it actually had. The car is street-legal and will pass an inspection. So I took it down the street to another place and the guy just shook his head and laughed, but he passed it. Apparently going to two places within an hour or two and passing at the second one trips some kind of alert at the DMV, because police officers and inspectors came to my house and inspected the car (it passed) and questioned me about what happened. I told them and they seemed skeptical, inquiring about me possibly bribing the second inspector. Ever the politician, I made it clear that they should be going after the first inspector if they had any integrity, intelligence, or even basic competence at their jobs. Several days later police cars pulled up in front of my house and I was arrested for "felony solicitation of a state vehicle inspection" and taken to jail. My wife wasn't home, so they let me take the kids to the neighbors and everyone in the neighborhood got to watch Daddy get cuffed and put in the back of a police car. My daughter was just full of questions for me, and now my neighbors love me even more than they did before, with my collection of junker Civics in the driveway. Jail promptly kicked me out, apparently I wasn't a serious enough criminal for them. They said if I had some priors then they might have let me stay, but apparently felony solicitation of an inspection gets you no street cred in the Wake County detention system. $2700 worth of lawyer fees later (I have a security clearance that will not handle a felony conviction, so I hired a good lawyer) and all charges have been dropped, but my wife is still really pissed off at me about the whole thing and asking why I can't just chase younger women like other guys do for their mid-life crisis.

Everybody grab your brooms, it's shenanigans!

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That is completely ridiculous.  If they inspected and it passed doesn't it mean that the car is legal?

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My wife assures me that my diplomatic skills are what landed me in jail. I figure if someone is being an asshat, then it's really in their best interest for me to point out their numerous  personal and professional deficiencies. People don't seem to appreciate my efforts to help them though. I just don't understand people sometimes; it's like they'd rather keep walking around looking like a dumbass than accept my helpful and altruistic feedback. I figured those cops would write me a big thank-you note for explaining their jobs to them.

Everybody grab your brooms, it's shenanigans!

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I've been mouthed off to coutless times. I've never pursued a felony warrant on a trumped-up charge as a result. Those cops need thicker skin. You need to be reimbursed for your legal fees. Are you pursuing that?

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Re: Jailed over Duff Beer Lemons car.

Good story.  I think there is a theme, or penalty idea in there somewhere.

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+1 on what Speedy said.

I think you and your team has earned a couple of 'Get Out of Penalty Box Free" cards!

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oh good lord Roger, next time just bring the damn thing down here to Harnett county.  please post this on the THSCC forum.  maybe someone can help you with this.

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soldmystang wrote:

oh good lord Roger, next time just bring the damn thing down here to Harnett county.  please post this on the THSCC forum.  maybe someone can help you with this.

Even better, come to SC.  No inspections AT ALL!  I work right beside the DMV, and you should see some of the deathtraps that roll in to get tags.  Lemons race cars, they are eligible for Barrett Jackson compared to them sometimes.

That stinks, man.  Go get a signed statement from the second inspector, and I would fight it.  (Though you must have really ticked them off!)

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9 (edited by m610 2011-01-21 07:07 PM)

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I don't think I'd try "helping" the Lemons judges using your method.

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What kind of Communist state is this NC? Damn.

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Never drive your drink... or something....

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You have 24HOL markings on the car. Dollars to donuts that they did some "internet research" that ended when they found the words "bribe" and "inspection" close to each other.

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I used to live in an apartment complex that prohibited on-premise car maintenance.  I used to go to the gas station next door for oil changes, which were pretty reasonably priced.

One day I went for the oil change and the old guy who normally worked there was not around.  A new guy, probably in his mid-30's did the oil change.  He looked at my sticker, which still had a few weeks left on it and asked if I wanted to take care of it then.  I always got my cars inspected there anyway, so I foolishly agreed.

About two seconds later, and before he even had time to seriously check anything, he told me I failed due to the windshield wipers not being pliable enough or some similar nonsense.  I could have new ones put on for $20 per side.  If I opted not to have him install them, I still had to pay for the inspection, and could get one free reinspection within seven days (vs. the three weeks I could have waited had I just said no at the beginning).  I didn't want to pay a 300% markup for wipers that take seconds to install, and when he saw that I wasn't going to fall further into his scam, the rest of the inspection was pretty straightforward.

I asked him what happened to the old guy.  Apparently an undercover agent busted him for some inspection-related technicality, and hit him with thousands of dollars in fines and revocation of his authorization to inspect cars.  The owner complained, "now how am I going to be able to inspect cars?"  She answered, "funny you should ask.  I have a brother looking for work..."

Needless to say, I never patronized that place again.

squidbreath wrote:

Good story.  I think there is a theme, or penalty idea in there somewhere.

The "You can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride" penalty.  The car goes through another BS inspection, where the driver is accused of having raced in a nitrous-boosted disguised Zamboni full of cheaty bits.  The offender is put into the back of a Crown Vic, taken on an extended joyride and then dropped off at a far corner of the track and made to walk back to the penalty box.

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typHOON wrote:

The offender is put into the back of a Crown Vic, taken on an extended joyride and then dropped off at a far corner of the track and made to walk back to the penalty box.

BRILLIANT.

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Being that the Second inspection passed; and that the ensuing THIRD inspection that occurred with Police Officers present, I would tend to think that the arrest, and charges would have been a non-issue, and frivolous at best. Which means that the brain-numbing amount of legal fees that followed were pretty much needless and a waste of your entire county's legal system's time. You SHOULD be reimbursed in my humble opinion if that story is accurate to the way you've recalled it. Then again I've never been a cop, a lawyer, or a backwoods car inspection drone with no sense of humor or sense of duty.

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I believe that the charge was frivolous and an attempt to get me to testify against the second inspector. The police did state that they had been observing the second inspector as part of an investigation, and that they could only charge him with an improper procedure infraction unless I testified that I bribed him. According to the police he conducted the inspection (OBD1 cars only get an external visual inspection) without pulling the car into the service bay, which they said is technically incorrect. I was in the customer lounge taking advantage of the free coffee during the inspection, so I couldn't say if that was correct or not. I observed that the police officer that inspected my car did so with the car sitting on the pavement outside, so apparently it is possible to do an inspection on a car without the benefit of a garage bay, but nobody appreciated my observation.

The timing and nature of the arrest were also strange. It's a Class I felony (the lowest class of felony) and I have no prior convictions. I also have had a job and a known address in NC for over ten years. Based on the sentencing guidelines, the most that I can be sentenced to if I was found guilty would be 3-8 months of unsupervised probation, suspended for a first offence. So I basically can't go to jail for this crime. Typical police procedure would be to call me and arrange a time for me to meet with police and my lawyer at the court to sign papers and get a court date. This isn't something that they typically roll out to make an arrest for. The Magistrate at the jail confirmed that the police were not following normal procedure by taking me to jail, and he promptly kicked me out. The bailiff (think it was a bailiff, the officer that staffs the magistrates room at the jail) was also confused about why they brought me to jail, since I couldn't get any jail time even if I was guilty. They also came for me on the day before Thanksgiving in the afternoon, when basically everyone was off work, and attempted to get me to ask for a deal when they were checking me in to the jail. The whole thing was a little off-kilter.

I used to be a LEO (graduated from NCIS academy) in the Navy; I worked for the commander of Norfolk Naval Base and did local civilian police liason work, patrols on and off base, shore patrol duty overseas, POW camp guard duty and crowd control for Iraqi detainees at an overseas detention facility, prisoner escorts for courts martial, and deserter apprehensions for the Naval Absentee Collection Unit in Great Lakes. In my professional opinion, the officer that interviewed me was not very professional. He tried to do a Miranda warning without letting me know what it was, and botched it in the process, then wrote out an incriminating statement and tried to get me to sign it by threatening to invalidate my Driver's license and vehicle registrations if I did not cooperate with his investigation. Then he called the "DA" on his cell phone and had an obviously fake conversation about what he wanted done with me after I made it clear that I had cooperated as much as I was going to.

So while this is not an indictment of police in general, because I was a professional when it was my job, and others are as well, but just like any other profession, there are people who are not professionals out there. I think that I just encountered one who wasn't. I've seen them before; there were guys that we had to assign permanently to the dispatch desk because we couldn't let them out in public any more. If we let them go on patrol then we'd end up with an incident.


I hadn't thought about recovering legal fees; I figured it was just the price of doing business with the court system, but I need to visit my lawyer again anyway to verify that the expungement of the arrest record went through, so I'll ask him about it then. I was so relieved to have the charge dropped that I just wanted to put the whole business behind me. My job includes working in secure government facilities, and I fail a National Agency Check and can't get a facility pass if I have an unadjudicated felony charge, so I basically couldn't work until this was resolved. Thankfully it occurred at a time when most secure government facilities have limited operations due to holiday vacation scheduling.

Everybody grab your brooms, it's shenanigans!

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that is insane  but  i have to  agree with  you pay the  fees  and  dont  look   back    hopefully   charma  will  catch  up  with  those  a- hole  cops   and they  get to see what it like  on the other side

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I know it may cause you are little more pain man, but you cannot let that shit go.  This is one reason why so many people distrust LEOs in general.  I have met exactly three cops in my life that didn't act like one 24/7, and Speedy is one of them.  Unless he told you you'd never know his was a cop.  He gives cops a good name, which is rare IME.  I know they have a tough job, but that doesn't give them a license to do any f*cking thing they want to do.

With all the crime going on in Wake County they shouldn't have time to even go to your house for this bullshit, especially since they could even make it stick.

I think you need to get some press involved here man.  This type of shit needs to stop.

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rmcdaniels wrote:

so while this is not an indictment of police in general, because I was a professional when it was my job, and others are as well, but just like any other profession, there are people who are not professionals out there. I think that I just encountered one who wasn't. I've seen them before; there were guys that we had to assign permanently to the dispatch desk because we couldn't let them out in public any more. If we let them go on patrol then we'd end up with an incident.

I'm just paraphrasing here, but:

Could've been in New Orleans. They would've taken you to jail, thrown you in lockup...more than likely on a Friday before a three or four day weekend when nobody gets released. They would've taken whatever money you have in your wallet, exchanged it for a "Debit Card" which is only usable in Jail (and non-refundable) then offered you a baloney sandwich for lunch.

You probably would be gone for about five days in all. Since the Sheriff gets paid by the day you're in lockup you would've been shuffled for at least that long before someone finally got around to releasing you....that is if you didn't accidentally fall down the stairs or asphyxiate yourself in your restraints.

Then you could appear before a Judge, and watch as he has the Assistant DA arrested for some reason or another, and have the whole thing continued.

Or the cop could've just shot you, driven your corpse in the car out to the levee then burned the car.

Lesson? Don't get arrested in Orleans Parish.

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20 (edited by Mulry 2011-01-22 09:35 AM)

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Speedycop wrote:

You need to be reimbursed for your legal fees. Are you pursuing that?

LOL. That's a howler. Don't even waste your time (and lawyer's fees) trying.

I've done a little criminal defense work over the years. Mostly when it was an existing client who got a BS municipal court domestic violence charge because an ex-girlfriend called the cops, total crap. That kind of stuff. But my very first jury trial was a DWI case where the newbie cop flat out lied on the stand. He wasn't just wrong, he didn't just misremember -- he lied. Not that the DA is going to pursue a perjury charge against a rookie cop on a misdemeanor DWI case, but the evidence was there to prove it. And it was on the videotape that we later showed to the jury, through which we won the acquittal of the accused in 28 minutes. Including time for a smoke break. In other words, this wasn't brilliant lawyering from yours truly, it was patently obvious to anybody who saw the in-car camera footage and/or the interrogation room footage that my guy not only wasn't intoxicated, he wasn't even buzzed.

I know from personal experience that there are a ton of good, fair, righteous LEO's out there. I'd even go so far to say that the vast majority of cops are good guys. But the exceedingly slim percentage of cops who game the system or use the badge to settle up their grudge with the universe for getting cut from the JV football team stain the rest. Same thing is true with lawyers, for what it's worth.

As to the OP, count yourself lucky, even a great lawyer sometimes can't prevent his client from getting ground into mincemeat by the system. Maybe this was a $2700 lesson in learning when to keep your smart mouth shut (ahem, smart BS judging jailhouse lawyers, this also applies to you.) It could have been a much more expensive (and painful if you got put into one of those analraping jails) lesson.

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yeah; based on your Additional input I would think that asking the county pay your legal fees would be the least they could do for the "anxiety" and "anguish" of having you falsely arrested and potentially causing harm to your security clearance which is part of your job requirement. I also have to maintain background checks for the field work I do in IT, as some of it takes me into banks and SEC-regulated ares, so I would be PISSED if I did not pass those checks over some a-hole who thinks he can lean on me to close a case I'm not even part of.

I'm actually somewhat surprised the first place you went to did not get fined for improper procedure.

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Holy shit! Yeah, we'll give you a Get Out Of Jail Free card for that.

Or we might make your team wear the Joe Arpaio Penalty pink underwear and chains all weekend.

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Wow man, what a load of bullshit.  Here in indiana we also don't bother looking at the actual car that get's the plate, just look at the money that gets paid for the plate.  It is stunning the pos's that get driven on the street.  My LeMon is impeccably maintained compared to most of them.   Sadly I do agree with Mulry.  Let the money go, no way you will get it back.  It sucks, but at least it's off the record, and you are not stuck in the pokey with bubba.  If you make it up to any of the midwest races, let me know.  We'll have some cold ones for you.

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Mulry wrote:

Maybe this was a $2700 lesson in learning when to keep your smart mouth shut.

That's what I'm taking from it. I shouldn't have said anything at all to the police. Even exculpatory statements can be used to bone me. My brother sent me a video that explains it better than I could, and I'd love to hear what a lawyer thinks of it (not enough love to pay a billable rate, but the free kind of love):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

Everybody grab your brooms, it's shenanigans!

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It's unfortunate that you had to go through this.  It's just funny that something as meaningless as a car inspection can land someone in jail.  Especially if you have someone pass your car.  Glad I live in a state that you can get your car registered without anyone EVER looking at it.  I have a buddy that has been able to get a Lotus Exige Cup car registered (it doesn't even have headlights).

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