Topic: 2x Engine MRolla Unveiled

I've let it slip here and there, but mostly we've had this project under wraps. With our acceptance to the Fernley 24 hour I can't contain myself, and we're confident no one else will beat us to the line with such an ill-advised concept so we’re announcing:

Bender from Stick Figure Racing and I have been building a two-engine car. We’ve chopped off a (front engine front drive) 89 Corolla just behind the firewall and welded it to the remains of the (mid engine rear drive) Volatile RAM Team 87 MR2. The cars are now a car. We're working out cooling, fuel, transmissions, and a bunch of other systems, but it will run at Reno-Fernley in May.

Time lapse of the cars coming apart and going together, and more details on the build are on the blog:
http://beater-car.blogspot.com/2011/02/ … ement.html
Full photo album: https://picasaweb.google.com/bike.cruiser/MRolla#

The concept:
http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd474/random_tox/MRolla.jpg

The front:
http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd474/random_tox/DSCN6371.jpg

The ass:
http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd474/random_tox/DSCN8964.jpg

Combined:
http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd474/random_tox/LapseD259.jpg

Re: 2x Engine MRolla Unveiled

I don't see how this could possibly fail.

BRE Datsun (Broke Racing Effluence) formerly Dawn of the Zed Racing
'74 260Z
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Re: 2x Engine MRolla Unveiled

Shock and Awe, LeMons style.

This space for rent.

Re: 2x Engine MRolla Unveiled

TFA!

Head Wookie
Snowspeeder Pilots Association
'85 MR2

Re: 2x Engine MRolla Unveiled

I don't see any weak points.

Re: 2x Engine MRolla Unveiled

I feel totally inadequate.

LeMons South 2008 - Fail, LeMons South Spring 2009 - Fail, LeMons Detroit(ish) 2008 - Fail, LeMons South Fall 2009 - Fail, Lamest Day 2009 - Fail, Miami 2010 (Chump) - 2nd!, Sebring 2010 (Chump) - Fail, Cuba 2010 - Crew Chief, Roebling 2011 (Chump) - 8th!, Sebring 2011(Chump) - 19th!

Re: 2x Engine MRolla Unveiled

Where are you putting thefuel cell?

Yee-Haw 2010 "Most Heroic Fix" & "I Got Screwed" -2 trophies for 1 lap, but I took checkered on my lap.
Gator-O-Rama 2012 "Organizers Choice" -2 laps 1 trophy, but i still finished ahead of an E30
Yee-Haw 2013 No trophy -26 laps, I think I see a pattern here
John

8 (edited by Bender/StickFigureRacing 2011-03-08 09:33 AM)

Re: 2x Engine MRolla Unveiled

Judge Phil wrote:

I don't see any weak points.

Somehow I feel that if there were any weak points to our madness you wouldn't tell us anyway....

Team: V-Ram/Altamont Team: Knights of the Round Track/Reno/Buttonwillow/Thunderhill Team: Death Mobile/Sears 2010/Thunderhill/ChumpCar  Spokane/ MSR Houston/Buttonwillow/Sears. MRolla Project /Reno
http://stickfigureracing.blogspot.com/

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Hoonatic Racing wrote:

Where are you putting thefuel cell?

Stock Fuel Tank...MR2 style.

Team: V-Ram/Altamont Team: Knights of the Round Track/Reno/Buttonwillow/Thunderhill Team: Death Mobile/Sears 2010/Thunderhill/ChumpCar  Spokane/ MSR Houston/Buttonwillow/Sears. MRolla Project /Reno
http://stickfigureracing.blogspot.com/

Re: 2x Engine MRolla Unveiled

We haven't gotten approval from the 24HL techs for a fuel cell. Plan is to run on only the oem MR2 tank for Reno. If it survives to a second race we'll try to come up with a viable fuel cell solution that satisfies safety rules.

Re: 2x Engine MRolla Unveiled

MRolla FTW. Now if you can just find a way to keep the transmissions from hating on each other during shifts, you've got all the prizes that LeMons can award right in the bag. This has got to be the best way to achieve a 160whp Corolla or MR2 in the history of frankenstein car craft. Good luck!

Pat Mulry, TARP Racing '67 SIMCA GLS 1000
"The SIMCA 1000 rear engined saloon is not a car which is going to be remembered in years to come for any particular reason.... It is not startling for its beauty, innovating with its design or particularly fast, economic or comfortable. However, it has been successful for SIMCA, especially in France."
--SIMCA 1000 Owners Workshop Manual, J.H. Haynes, 1973

Re: 2x Engine MRolla Unveiled

Congratulations! You have completed the first experimental step toward a Citation/Fiero double-Duke-powered logical end.

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Re: 2x Engine MRolla Unveiled

Cool -- but doesn't it compromise the factory crash structure?

Just curious how tech will see it.  It's pretty clear (to me) that the cage structure will stiffen the middle chop.

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Crumple zones are unaffected, unless you count the cab as a crumple zone, in which case none of us would not be allowed to have cages, in which case none of us would pass the cage requirement and the whole series would evaporate in a cosmic paradox.

Scud.Ig wrote:

Cool -- but doesn't it compromise the factory crash structure?

Just curious how tech will see it.  It's pretty clear (to me) that the cage structure will stiffen the middle chop.

Re: 2x Engine MRolla Unveiled

If they're both C50 or C52 manual transmissions with identical ratios, this will work great. You'll need a dual clutch master cylinder, though, or reduced diameter slave cylinders.

Might actually be, god forbid, competitive. You pretty much have an equivalent of an AWD 3.2 230HP V8 car with 50-50 torque distribution, and you can easily afford to eat a rod and keep going.

An 8-gallon gas tank is not gonna be fun, though wink

K Car Stalker

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We're not going to attempt or risk synch. Auto tranny going in the rear.

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I know it's unwise to be excited about the performance potential with such an under engineered project, but I can help but have delusions of numbers approaching a 3rd gen Supra.

2xFAIL.

The VRAM MR2 had overheating problems at all 5 of it's previous races and we're basically adding another 4AGE engine to the problem. We will now be over heating twice as often, but we hope it will just coincide with fuel stops for our 9 gallons of fuel capacity .

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We will have a massive 10.6 gallon gas tank, Fuel will be the least of our worries.:D

Team: V-Ram/Altamont Team: Knights of the Round Track/Reno/Buttonwillow/Thunderhill Team: Death Mobile/Sears 2010/Thunderhill/ChumpCar  Spokane/ MSR Houston/Buttonwillow/Sears. MRolla Project /Reno
http://stickfigureracing.blogspot.com/

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Oh.  My.  God.

I am in awe.

"I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!"
IOE winner in the Super Snipe -- Buttonwillow 2012

Re: 2x Engine MRolla Unveiled

You BASTARDS!!! You beat me to it!

No, seriously, congrats on a beautiful plan. I was gonna do it with the MR2-engined Lancia, and the VTEC 1.6 Honda from my CRX. Critics said it would never work, but that doesn't stop us, now does it? Then I picked up a FWD V8 car that matched a FWD V8 car I already had acquired for LeMons, so now I'm doing a twin-engined 16 cylinder car.I'm happy to see the bar being continually raised, first with Marc's radial MR2, and now this masterpiece. I'll look forward to helping wrench on it in Reno, if you'll allow me...

Captain: Speedycop & The Gang Of Outlaws -'94 Mark VIII (Least Horrible Yank Tank Stafford '09, NOLA '10) '61 Caddy (Org Choice-NL '09) '63 Tbird (EPIC Repair Failure-Gingerman '10, I Got Screwed-Summit Pt '10, I.O.E. WINNER Stafford '10!) '77 Lancia Scorpion (I.O.E. WINNER Joliet 2010!) '67 Galaxie 500 (Judges Choice-CMP '11)
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Speedycop wrote:

You BASTARDS!!! You beat me to it!

No, seriously, congrats on a beautiful plan. I was gonna do it with the MR2-engined Lancia, and the VTEC 1.6 Honda from my CRX. Critics said it would never work, but that doesn't stop us, now does it? Then I picked up a FWD V8 car that matched a FWD V8 car I already had acquired for LeMons, so now I'm doing a twin-engined 16 cylinder car.I'm happy to see the bar being continually raised, first with Marc's radial MR2, and now this masterpiece. I'll look forward to helping wrench on it in Reno, if you'll allow me...

We would be honored to have you wrench/break it. We have been trying to pull this off before you got a stab at it. Of course it's not finished yet. You still have Time!

Team: V-Ram/Altamont Team: Knights of the Round Track/Reno/Buttonwillow/Thunderhill Team: Death Mobile/Sears 2010/Thunderhill/ChumpCar  Spokane/ MSR Houston/Buttonwillow/Sears. MRolla Project /Reno
http://stickfigureracing.blogspot.com/

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Are you signed on with a team for Reno already? We'd love to have you. Have plenty of seat time to fill and your expertise and attitude would be a welcome addition.

Speedycop wrote:

You BASTARDS!!! You beat me to it!

No, seriously, congrats on a beautiful plan. I was gonna do it with the MR2-engined Lancia, and the VTEC 1.6 Honda from my CRX. Critics said it would never work, but that doesn't stop us, now does it? Then I picked up a FWD V8 car that matched a FWD V8 car I already had acquired for LeMons, so now I'm doing a twin-engined 16 cylinder car.I'm happy to see the bar being continually raised, first with Marc's radial MR2, and now this masterpiece. I'll look forward to helping wrench on it in Reno, if you'll allow me...

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I dunno about expertise, but I'm always happy to help any team that needs it, when I'm not wrenching on my own junk, or driving. As far as driving, I would kill for a stint! I plan to have the Death Cab there as my own car, but I'll trade ya stint for stint if you're willing, once your guys have all driven.

Captain: Speedycop & The Gang Of Outlaws -'94 Mark VIII (Least Horrible Yank Tank Stafford '09, NOLA '10) '61 Caddy (Org Choice-NL '09) '63 Tbird (EPIC Repair Failure-Gingerman '10, I Got Screwed-Summit Pt '10, I.O.E. WINNER Stafford '10!) '77 Lancia Scorpion (I.O.E. WINNER Joliet 2010!) '67 Galaxie 500 (Judges Choice-CMP '11)
Future Fleet: 1957 Ford Prefect 1942 Buick 1959 Bugeye Project GLCOAT

Re: 2x Engine MRolla Unveiled

Mind if I use your photos for a TTAC post? I'd love the hear the curmudgeonly commenters list all the ways the car can't possibly work!

http://theselvedgeyard.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/2576409661_aec65ab588_b.jpg

Also: We still need a Mysterion-style side-by-side twin-engine setup!

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Congrats on somehow upping the ante in a series that is making that more and more difficult.  Maximum respect!!

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