Topic: Any Honda parts guys out there?

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I really want a new mid-80s Honda CVCC vacuum-hose diagram sticker to put on my laptop. I've found a couple of them online from specialty Honda-parts merchants and ordered them, but both times I got a refund with notification (two weeks later) that the parts were out of stock and my orders had been cancelled. I haven't tried any dealers yet. What I want is any of the many underhood decals referred to by Honda as "Vacuum Hose Routing Diagram Label," for any early-to-mid-80s Honda Civic/CRX, Accord, or Prelude with a CVCC/carbureted engine. Going through my junkyard photos, I see that all the part numbers for these labels begin with the 5-digit group 17277-, and most of the Civic ones seem to have PE1 as the second group. Here are the part numbers of labels that I know look right:
17277-PB3-660
17277-PA6-683
17277-PE1-714
17277-PE1-663
17277-PE1-315
17277-PE1-684

I'm sure there are many more that have the spaghetti-nightmare complexity I'm looking for. So, if any of you guys are plugged into the Honda parts system, could you look up (A) which, if any, of these labels are still available from the factory and (B) part numbers for other 82-86 CVCC Vacuum Hose Routing Diagram Labels? Your help will be much appreciated.

Re: Any Honda parts guys out there?

Justin Howe is, IIRC.

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Phil, if no one on the forum can help, I have a friend that is a Honda mechanic and I'll see what he can do.

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There can't have been much demand for replacement hose-diagram stickers, since it would take something like a car-totalling engine fire to damage one. Still, a few new ones must be knocking around somewhere.

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Dunno about honda, but when toyota gets tired of a slow moving number like this, they discontinue the number and order all the parts returned from dealer shelves to PDC's for disposal.  Dealers are happy to send back parts they paid for 10 years earlier and get full credit at today's current price.  Parts like seatcovers and decals go in a garbage dumpster, and metal parts go in a recycle dumpster.

Just sayin'

Can you take a really good photo at the JY, clean it up in photoshop and have it printed as a decal?

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Re: Any Honda parts guys out there?

FJ40Jim wrote:

Can you take a really good photo at the JY, clean it up in photoshop and have it printed as a decal?

Yes, but it won't be the same.

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Sent you an email. I may have one or two that are what you're looking for. I will bring to Gingerman if I can find in time.

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Phil, my Honda guy says, "Some of the Part Numbers are good, but all are discontinued".

When I Googled it, the first hit was an article written by some chick; Rant

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Strange that Honda car would be unable to find you something when all their motorcycle dealers have interconnected inventory. Any dealer that cares to look can tell you that some dealer in Walla Walla or Flim Flam has 2 of them on their shelf at lest inventory.

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Phil, if you'd like I can bring one of those carbs and a head and you can have someone reconnect all of the vacuum hoses as a penalty.

It's from the 85 crx that I yanked out the honda motor and put in an 848cc mini engine and transmission back before I'd heard of Lemons.

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Spank wrote:

Phil, if you'd like I can bring one of those carbs and a head and you can have someone reconnect all of the vacuum hoses as a penalty.

It's from the 85 crx that I yanked out the honda motor and put in an 848cc mini engine and transmission back before I'd heard of Lemons.

Yeah, that's a good one. Do you have the vacuum manifolds and boxes-o-solenoids that a lot of the lines connect to?

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Pretty sure I do. It's huge and weighs a ton. I'll bring it to Miller as a bribe.

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I'd sure like a poster of one of these. There's gotta be a way!

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I think I may just buy a Civic hood and then figure out some chemical process to remove the sticker. Hoods are cheap, and the scrappers who prowl the alley behind my house will dispose of the hood within 15 minutes of it being placed out there.

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Careful use of a heat gun will get the sticker off without damage...

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Just cut the hood around the sticker, flat scan it, upload it to CafePress, sell copies of the sticker as well as T-shirts and Posters, profit

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Long ago I used to be a Honda parts guy (1994-8). We'd special order these by VIN # , not by part #, IIRC. However, the 5-digit first # is how they'd be labeled when they came in, and PE1 is legit for that gen of Civic. Doubtful Honda has many still sitting around. We'd only order them when a hood needed to be replaced.

The 82-85 Accords had even more complicated vacuum rails and hose nests. Good luck with the sticker search!

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18 (edited by EyeMWing 2014-04-27 03:37 PM)

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Judge Phil wrote:
FJ40Jim wrote:

Can you take a really good photo at the JY, clean it up in photoshop and have it printed as a decal?

Yes, but it won't be the same.

I wouldn't be entirely certain about that.

I work in the enterprise-scale print industry, and from what I know of our label business (I'm usually only tangentially involved with it), the way we'd sell that product is this:
1) During the production run, manufacture 5% overage for parts bin use (these have likely all been consumed/trashed).
2) After the initial production run, they'd become a strict special order Print-On-Demand item. This literally means that we'd (in modern times) take a PDF image of the thing and essentially laser print however many fit a single sheet of whatever special stock we use for high heat/long life labels.

The difficulty here is that the cars these were on went out of production before modern print technologies. PDF's aren't likely to be readily available. Unless there are NOS labels somewhere, or Honda actually maintained the artwork on something like that, your only real recourse is probably going to be getting a repro made.

Assuming the same diagram appears in a service manual somewhere, my suggestion would be to have someone take the FSM copy of the diagram, and a photo of one of the stickers and fix up all the auxiliary text - and have some print shop digital print some in dark red on their fanciest beige vinyl.


Edit: I have high-quality images of the actual diagrams. Will extract them and post them up in a bit. All you need to do to get a replica is add the text in Photoshop.

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19 (edited by EyeMWing 2014-04-27 04:20 PM)

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Civic 1300 - 50 state - Manual trans
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Civic 1300 - High Altitude - Manual Trans
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Civic 1500 - All - 2WD Manual
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Civic 1500 - All - 4WD Manual
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Civic 1500 - All - Automatic, Manual Steer
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Civic 1500 - California - 2WD Manual
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Civic 1500 - California - 4WD Manual
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CRX - Federal and High Altitude - Manual
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CRX - 50 State - Automatic
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CRX - California - Manual
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Email me if you want PDF's of these. They were pretty clearly sourced from a scan, but they're what's in the online service manual and should downsize to actual print well.

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Re: Any Honda parts guys out there?

When people complain about modern cars being hard to work on or complex I will send them those diagrams.

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21 (edited by skivittlerjimb 2014-04-28 08:41 AM)

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Caller - "I need a vacuum thermovalve for an 84 Accord LX"

Me - "How many nipples does it have an which direction do they face relative to each other?"

^ real transcript of a phone call I probably had at least a dozen times when I was a Honda parts guy.

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One time I bought a complete engine "with all accessories" at the Pick-Your-Part half-price-day sale, just because I wanted all the funky valves, sensors, manifolds, neutron initiators, left-handed transcriptase catalyzers, and so forth to make my CRX (which ran perfectly) pass the CA smog test. Then I went through and tested every single item according to the factory shop manual, and I had (almost) enough good parts to make the car pass. Then I sold the extra head and put the rest of the engine (piece by piece) in the recycle bin (hey, the sticker on the bin said scrap metal was acceptable). That's when I decided that I would never buy another non-fuel-injected Honda.

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Things like this are the reason non-FI cars made after 1975 are going to start disappearing from the roads in California, unless someone passes a smog test exemption law again. I mean its not that hard to get a malaise era car to blow clean on the tailpipe test, but its nearly impossible to get one that has been modified to pass the visual test of a smog test guy who wants to be an asshole about it. I've been told that not only do you have to have all the lines connected correctly, they have to be the right material/color in order to pass. No replacing broken hard lines with generic rubber hose.

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Parkwod60 wrote:

I've been told that not only do you have to have all the lines connected correctly, they have to be the right material/color in order to pass. No replacing broken hard lines with generic rubber hose.

They just go down the list of what large smog parts a car is supposed to have. You could probably get away with an EFI conversion on an old Civic, as long as you presented the illusion of a gulp valve, exhaust manifold stove, etc.