Topic: So, what about a school bus?

I'm sure someone out there in the great Lemons panoply has used a diesel school bus or like as a tow, haul and sleep vehicle.

Could someone elucidate me as to why such an insane idea is bad?!

I imagine any suspension maintenance would be a nightmare of scale; but beyond that...what am I missing?

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Re: So, what about a school bus?

Well, one usually overlooked subject is tires. 19.5 tires, and road tractor tires in general, ain't cheap. Additionally, look into what axle ratings are, and also registration for the weight rating. Airbrakes can complicate things, but some states make the process of turning a bus into an RV, a simple process, while others make it a nightmare.

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Re: So, what about a school bus?

Tires do look daunting at about $200-ish a pop.

Thankfully, I'm a lawyer, so I will probably be able to overcome any legal obstacles. Texas doesn't seem to be too bad, will have to watch weight and commercial issues and the like. Would like to avoid the acquisition of a CDL or two.

For reference, this is the sort of stupidity we are considering. It's weight should prevent any serious issues.  http://houston.craigslist.org/ctd/4612026005.html

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Re: So, what about a school bus?

Looked into this a while ago.

As already mentioned, register it as an RV. 

Are you planning on hauling internally or on a trailer?  If internal, you have to figure out how to load the car.  You'll either need to get really long ramps or lower the floor on the bus.  One decent setup that I saw:  Pie section taken out of the frame right behind the rear axle spring perch, frame then bent down at about a 20 degree angle. Car would then be loaded at an angle. Sides of the bus extended down.  I've got pics, but I'll have to find them and upload them.

Re: So, what about a school bus?

Is that a city type bus?? Could it be geared for city driving??

I wonder if it can get up to speed on the highway???

You can load spare engines with the handicap lift!!!!

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Re: So, what about a school bus?

We have a 22 passenger citybus. It's registered as an RV(toilet, kitchen and bed). We've had some weird engine stuff to deal with, as could be expected for an older citibus. It's geared for the city but it cruises the interstate fine at 65mph in the right lane. Ours does 8.5mpg empty or 8.5mpg towing. Tows our 3500lbs car on a 2000lbs trailer just fine. The lift is pretty cool though, allowing us to easily get stuff into and out of the bus.

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Re: So, what about a school bus?

rlchv70 wrote:

Looked into this a while ago.

As already mentioned, register it as an RV. 

Are you planning on hauling internally or on a trailer?  If internal, you have to figure out how to load the car.  You'll either need to get really long ramps or lower the floor on the bus.  One decent setup that I saw:  Pie section taken out of the frame right behind the rear axle spring perch, frame then bent down at about a 20 degree angle. Car would then be loaded at an angle. Sides of the bus extended down.  I've got pics, but I'll have to find them and upload them.

Third option is of course a tilt bed from a wrecker modified to mostly fit in the back of the bus.  I am sure it not a complicated

Fourth option is a crane and rigging to lift from all four wheels of the car and drop it into a giant sunroof.  I like this plan the best because the crane can also double as an engine hoist.

Re: So, what about a school bus?

So you said you had too much time on your hands and didn't want to get anything else productive done today? Well, then, do I have a forum for you right on this very topic:

http://www.skoolie.net/forum/

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Re: So, what about a school bus?

Mulry wrote:

So you said you had too much time on your hands and didn't want to get anything else productive done today? Well, then, do I have a forum for you right on this very topic:

http://www.skoolie.net/forum/

I think I read that website and all still active links end to end while still working in Iraq.  I even spent more time there than hunting down every last shred of Lemons information/blog/random news mention.

Re: So, what about a school bus?

FRPBuzz: when you say city bus, do you mean something based on like an econoline, or like a diesel pusher?

We are going to tow externally so a shorter bus is possible. Also, so we have a car hauler around. Also, because other tomfoolery is planned.

I found that skoolie site, pretty addictive....like crack...you know...or something....BUSES MAN.

I hadn't even thought of gearing! One of the reasons we are doing this is to avoid the mileage kill that is an old diesel with an overloaded enclosed car hauler and having a second car to carry humans in.

We were hoping to get one with the lift gate/ramp still working to carry our tool cab around with.

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Re: So, what about a school bus?

CaptainCardigan wrote:

For reference, this is the sort of stupidity we are considering. It's weight should prevent any serious issues.  http://houston.craigslist.org/ctd/4612026005.html

You can beat the 5.9 Cummins in that thing...mine has 400k miles on it.  Also parts are pickup truck cost, not big rig prices.

Re: So, what about a school bus?

fyremanbill wrote:
CaptainCardigan wrote:

For reference, this is the sort of stupidity we are considering. It's weight should prevent any serious issues.  http://houston.craigslist.org/ctd/4612026005.html

You can beat the 5.9 Cummins in that thing...mine has 400k miles on it.  Also parts are pickup truck cost, not big rig prices.

Awesome! I'll keep that in mind! Thanks.

WHY IS THIS IDEA SO APPEALING?!

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Re: So, what about a school bus?

CaptainCardigan wrote:
fyremanbill wrote:
CaptainCardigan wrote:

For reference, this is the sort of stupidity we are considering. It's weight should prevent any serious issues.  http://houston.craigslist.org/ctd/4612026005.html

You can beat the 5.9 Cummins in that thing...mine has 400k miles on it.  Also parts are pickup truck cost, not big rig prices.

Awesome! I'll keep that in mind! Thanks.

WHY IS THIS IDEA SO APPEALING?!

Because as Lemoneers, we generally share the trait wherein we find the idea of converting something from its not-as-intended-purpose into something more suitable for our Lemony purposes.

When our car trailer broke down north of Sebring in July on the way to the race, we decided that if we couldn't fix it at the track, we were going to go back and buy one of the 88-passenger flat nose buses we saw in a lot about 30 minutes north of the track, and do an onsite conversion. Ok, we didn't decide that, but it was bandied about during whiskey time that Friday night at the bar.

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Re: So, what about a school bus?

You're right. Also, I'm cheap. Scary cheap, and buses are cheap - so what can go wrong!?

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Re: So, what about a school bus?

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I see no way that this plan could go wrong.

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Re: So, what about a school bus?

When I worked at the Gillig bus factory (writing their manuals), we had frequent visits and phone calls from crazy old coots who had converted old Gillig buses (school, transit, and prison) to RVs at various levels of hooptietude. At least in the case of Gilligs, the initial purchase price can be quite low but replacement parts cost big money, which always outraged the cheapskate crazy-old-coot RV builders.

On the plus side, if you get a Gillig you can probably get help obtaining parts from Dave Schaible, owner of the Model T GT. He was in charge of the Gillig Parts Department for many years.

Re: So, what about a school bus?

At the moment, we are lusting pretty badly after Blue Bird Cab Over at about 22 adult passengers with a Cummins 5.9 and Wheel Chair Lift. We need to find one old enough and local enough to go measure for layout work.

This kind of idea (http://thecargospace.com/) but more utilitarian/lemonsy.

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Re: So, what about a school bus?

Jeez, it looks like storing the car inside a school bus takes up more room than I was originally thinking. You'd lose all but the first three or four rows of seats. Still, we could have fold-up bunks in the car area like Tetanus does in their box trailer. That would leave us something like 7' x 7' to fit road seating for 5, a kegerator, and storage for the toolbox, large totes, and other stuff that won't fit in the Dart. That sounds doable. Still, it's a lot of fucking work and added expense, which offsets the initially low purchase price. And whenever we wanted a car trailer for a Random Stupid Thing, we'd have to break out the party bus, which wouldn't be terribly convenient.

The smaller city-type buses would be nicer in many ways- actual adult standing headroom, less work to furnish. They'd probably be geared for city driving, but that being said, compared to the purchase price, a rear end gear swap isn't that expensive. It would require a separate trailer, but used flatbed trailers aren't THAT expensive. I doubt a diesel-powered brick would feel much difference in MPG towing vs. not towing. It would be more convenient to have a separate trailer if we needed it.

So there are basically three options as I see it:

1. School bus, onboard hauling
-Least money
-Most work
-Lowest flexibility for bus layout, meaning less fun on road trips

2. School bus, towing flatbed
-More money: add trailer + tow hitch to #1
-Less work, at least up front
-More flexibility for future layout, meaning more fun taking it on road trips and such
-More flexibility with respect to non-LeMons car towing (Bob's single-cab truck can pull a flatbed if you're gentle)

3. Transit-type bus, towing flatbed
-Most money: add higher purchase price and a gear swap to #2
-Least work, at least up front
-Similar layout flexibility to #2, trading off floor space for overall quality and headroom
-Same flexibility w.r.t. non-LeMons towing as #2

Re: So, what about a school bus?

I would vote two or three depending bus availability. Why do I vote this way? Because it's going to 65 mph and we mine as well get toasted, fat and happy in the back. Imagine it like a first class rail experience; but all LeMonsy and stuff. Finally, if sleeping is permanently available, it could be operated for 24 hours straight with the right crew. Finally, smaller buses would be available, and they are easier to store.

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Re: So, what about a school bus?

Well, you could find a bendy bus, have living quarters up front and store the car in the back:
https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/UKBUS5103_2.JPG
Or you could get a double decker bus:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Red_double_decker_bus_in_London.jpg
Or a double decker bendy bus!
https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6139/5983641669_09625e6a9c_z.jpg

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Re: So, what about a school bus?

You guys are thinking too small:
BadBird. http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f104/jee … ndex6.html
RV converted flat nose bus to haul a 5th wheel wedge trailer

Re: So, what about a school bus?

the original ad you posted is ended, but there is another on the Houston Cl for 2 65passenger school buses for $2500 each. Get it.

Or shop around for  MCI-9 or MCI MC96 or MC102 buses. If you look carefully you can find some of those in the under $10k range. Big Detroit Diesels and Allison transmissions and Stainless Steel chassis. the Million mile buses.

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Re: So, what about a school bus?

Handicap lift and two roof-mounted air conditioners:
http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/4725141834.html

Partial RV conversion with fresh and black water tanks and toilet:
http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/4663766697.html

Cheep, cheep with transmission issue:
http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/4706057734.html

No, I haven't been looking... much.

Re: So, what about a school bus?

It's too bad we don't race Minis.

http://www.miniguy.com/vehicles/busandm … orty-mini/

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Re: So, what about a school bus?

I personally still wonder if 4 used wheelchair lifts working in concert could not just lift a LeMon's car so it can rolled in.  I mean, how hard can it be?