Topic: Mazda5 Suspension: stock or upgrade?

We're at 130K-ish miles on our 07 Mazda5 minivan daily driver we've had since new. We fit a lot of the common problems: Front rotors warped right away. turning them lasted about 3 weeks. Finally replaced them. Rear brakes have massive squeal in the morning when cold especially wen backing up. I "custom random-slotted" the rear rotors with a flap disc on an angle grinder. The stock thermostat stuck so we fixed that. Transmission had wrong fluid put in at a valvoline oil change place so it judders while idling at traffic lights when D engaged. Sliding door latch doesn't always want to work so we stopped using one of the sliding doors. Rear strut (or both) were replaced while under warranty at dealer because of faulty weld blob or something like that mentioned in a TSB that some mechanic at the stealership finally remembered after the Service Manager berated my wife for "hauling hay bales" in it or "your husband must be carrying bricks" after the replacement strut also broke (we'd parked ONCE in a grass field at a Halloween pumpkin patch and apparently a blade of straw was pinched in the suspension when it went to the dealer for recurring suspension noise). Massive uneven rear tire wear (on the inside). Even with a new alignment on this last set of tires, it's gobbling up the rubber. I've rotated and now had the tires flipped on the rims and we're under 30K miles on them, probably under 20K. Oh, there's also lots of spring noise in the rear but we've figured out that's just crappy design and the rubber pads aren't doing their job any more and the tires are cupping so the dampening is gone.

I did a quick search and it seems that the rear suspension is same-ish as the mazda3 and there are adjustable aftermarket camber arms we can put on. So, if I go that route and we're needing to replace the dampeners, should I go with some custom suspension, maybe something a (dare I say) little sporty?  I'm definitely not modern car literate, but I am willing to learn but slow to put out the effort to learn.

Can anyone hit the EASY Button for me and say something like, "Buy these front struts, rear dampeners and these camber arms"? Or narrow down my area of focus/consideration?

(FWIW, we're possibly one good insurance claim away from this maybe turning into a LeMons car in the next 5 years)

Re: Mazda5 Suspension: stock or upgrade?

Hydrolastic is the solution of course.

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Were I dealing with a car so dissatisfied with its station in life, I'd say that a "good enough insurance claim" wouldn't leave enough bits to make a Lemons car.

Offhandedly, I'd say that adding camber adjustment to the rear would help your tire wear issue. If you're bent on keeping such a disagreeable car/truck/van shaped object, that is.

BEing berated for "hauling hay bales" for having a sprig of straw on board?

I wonder what they'd say if my Mrs. Brought the work Jeep Wrangler in (from back in her days as archaeologist)... The one that I diagnosed vibration on. Cause: 100 pounds of Adobe baked into the frame crossmember/trans mount/driveshaft/transfer case area... Fixed that one with a shovel and a big dustpan.

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As odd as it sounds, I actually like the car. I look forward to driving it into the ground. And even with the problems, I'd buy another one all over again.

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I love my little minivan, got 120K on my 2010 Mazda 5 that I bought new as a leftover in 2011. Mine is the 5-speed "Sport" model. I really don't want to drive anything else as a DD. I can fill it with kids and dogs, an engine block for the Duff car, lumber, or whatever. I put the Inno roof rack on it because it bolts to the factory mount points, and with a car top carrier it has plenty of room for family road trips to Wisconsin so my wife can visit her sister. Until someone starts making a good cheap station wagon in the US again (I would love a new Buick Roadmaster), I'm keeping it.

Warped rotors: My new ones from Mazda were crap and warped constantly. I kept turning them until they got too thin. I bought a decent aftermarket set with new pads and haven't had that problem since.

Weird rear tire wear: Had this on my Mazda 5 and my wife's  Mazda 3. Both times it was weak rear shocks. It happened on my wife's 3 with only a few thousand miles on it. KYB Gas-a-Just is a decent monotube replacement for the rear shocks.

Front struts: I haven't tried a good strut that I like for this. Koni makes a Yellow for it, but I really don't like those. Given that the Sachs front struts are part numbers 313415 and 313411 for the Mazda 3 and the Mazda 5, I'm guessing that stuff for the Mazda 3 should fit. If you look at Mazda 3 parts, then you can get some Bilstein B6's, which are not cheap, but are great shocks. Of course for that kind of money I can just about buy a complete Ksport coilover setup for the 5, which would give me a pretty good street suspension, and would add a lot of blingtasticness to my ride, 'cuz guys in their 50's who drive minivans are all about the bling bling.

Other stuff: My front sway bar bushings got loose almost immediately, causing weird clunking sounds and feeling like something up front was very loose, but only when the car was cold. I replaced them and the problem has not returned. The stock 17" wheels were fragile. After a few years they were all dented and lumpy, causing ride and tire wear issues. It wasn't obvious until I looked at them on a tire balancing machine, and then I could see the lumpiness. Now when I balance them, I rest a thin wooden skewer on the inside edge of the wheel to check for bumps. My wife's stock 16" wheels on her 2010 Mazda 3 are nowhere near as delicate as the wheels on my 5 were. They seem to be holding up well to our daily abuses.

I think that's mostly it. I can easily see myself happily putting another 100K on this car.

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I read a little about tire wear issues on the 5 when I bought my '14 6spd.  Check out https://forum.miata.net/vb/archive/inde … 96976.html or http://www.mazdaforum.com/forum/mazda5- … 351/page5/ if you want. I would do koni sports, and stock springs, then align it myself. Since most of the shops do a garbage job, if they will even do an alignment to customer specs.  I also like this car a lot. It was cheap, and it fits my family.  If it weren't fwd it would be almost perfect.

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We have a Mazda3 that Chrissy bought new that now has 198k miles on it, and very little left stock. Chrissy's parents also have a Mazda that they bought new in 2009 that I have been maintaining over 110k miles.

We have also run into rear tire wear issues, especially once lowered and with the RX8 wheels on it.  The solution was simple: https://www.amazon.com/Moog-K100002-Con … B001ILIIEA.  We put those on and the tires have been wearing perfectly since.  We also run good shocks, both cars have Koni FSDs on them which are wonderful, better ride and handling over stock, but the stock shocks and any cheap replacements just don't work, they have to be good. So, simple answer is the adjustable RCAs to dial out the camber and a good quality rear shock.

We are shooting for 250k+ miles on Chrissy's car before turning it into a Lemon.  With the mods it has it should be pretty good.  2.5l swap from a 2012 Ford Fusion has only 35k miles on it, 6 speed from a 2010 Mazda3, Speed3 front brakes, Mazda5 rear brakes, Konis, Eibach springs, all new bushings, etc.  All it needs is a Speed3 rear bar.  It's such a cheap and cheerful car, I enjoy driving it even though my normal daily is an CLS63 AMG.

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Sonic wrote:

We have also run into rear tire wear issues, especially once lowered and with the RX8 wheels on it.  The solution was simple: https://www.amazon.com/Moog-K100002-Con … B001ILIIEA.  We put those on and the tires have been wearing perfectly since.  We also run good shocks, both cars have Koni FSDs on them which are wonderful, better ride and handling over stock, but the stock shocks and any cheap replacements just don't work, they have to be good. So, simple answer is the adjustable RCAs to dial out the camber and a good quality rear shock.

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I read that previously posted thread and with your trusted first hand account, I went ahead and pulled the trigger and got these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/361538776275

Thanks for the help, folks. I'll look for some shocks now, too and then see what else starts giving problems. Oil change place (cheaper than I can do it myself) says there's an oil leak. I need to investigate that next I guess.

Re: Mazda5 Suspension: stock or upgrade?

Spank wrote:
Sonic wrote:

We have also run into rear tire wear issues, especially once lowered and with the RX8 wheels on it.  The solution was simple: https://www.amazon.com/Moog-K100002-Con … B001ILIIEA

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I read that previously posted thread and with your trusted first hand account, I went ahead and pulled the trigger and got these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/361538776275

Thanks for the help, folks. I'll look for some shocks now, too and then see what else starts giving problems. Oil change place (cheaper than I can do it myself) says there's an oil leak. I need to investigate that next I guess.

LOL, I just put those exact same ones on my X-Type.  Haven't tested them yet other than a drive around the block.

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Re: Mazda5 Suspension: stock or upgrade?

ordered some konis last night for $602 plus will get a $50 rebate from koni.

Also a $5 gasket to fix the oil cooler/filter leak. Didn't realize it was such a common failure point. Fix videos are all over Youtube.

Will need to look up videos of how to do the struts. I'm so used to repairing hydrolastic suspension this fancey pants Macpherson stuff is foreign to me.