1 (edited by random_tox 2012-05-10 01:50 PM)

Topic: Winner Stats

(Updated 5-10-2012)

Got a spreadsheet spitting out some interesting trivia. There seems to be a serious GM curse.

Overall wins by manufacturer:

Wins    Manufacturer
17    Mazda
15    BMW
7    Honda
6    Ford
6    Toyota
5    Nissan/Datsun
3    Dodge
3    Mercedes
2    Alfa Romeo
2    Saab
2    Suzuki
1    Mitsubishi
1    Volkswagon
1    Volvo


By team (let me know if any should be combined based on the car or a majority of drivers):

Wins    Team
5    Eyesore
5    Hong Norrth
3    Race Hard/Ugly
2    rbankracing.com
2    Z-Wrecks
2    POS
2    Goin' Nuclear
2     Opulence-We Has It
2    Ghetto Motorsports West
2    Skid Marks
2    Geo Player Special
2    Clueless Racing
2    Red Rocket Ratnest Revival
1    Bill Danger and the Road Hazzards
1    Bucksnort Racing
1    Duct Tape Motorsports
1    Cardorks
1    Dai Mondai II
1    Miagra
1    BenzGay
1    Asphalt Nation
1    Scuderia Limoni
1    SHOTime
1    Model T GT
1    Punk it's Junk
1    Rogue Squadron
1    Super Troopers
1    Rhinoceros Racing
1    Off Consistently
1    Team Short Bus
1    Mid-Drive Crisis
1    Iron Lemon
1    Corsa Nostra
1    BoomPowSurprise
1    Formula M
1    Dorifto Dogs
1    GT$500
1    Mustard Yellow Volvo
1    White Lightning
1    Booby Prize
1    Pandamonium Racing
1    Krider Racing
1    She's Got it all
1     Endurance Karting
1    Sofa King
1    SCHWING Team
1    Lemons Lapper
1    Bernie's Revenge
1    Black Iron
1    Red Meat
1    Corsa Uber Fantastico

Re: Winner Stats

I wouldn't say its a curse.  I mean GM has dominated the real winner category, the general just doesn't care about that silly overall win.

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3 (edited by random_tox 2012-05-10 01:58 PM)

Re: Winner Stats

(Updated 5-10-2012)
And this bit of data could use some consolidation to be more useful, but if you don't like it go make your own spreadsheet:

Wins by car:


Wins    Model
7    Miata
5    MX3
4    RX7
3    325i
3    325E
3    Civic
3    Neon
3    Taurus SHO
3    325is
2    325
2    280zx
2    S500
2    535i
2    Metro/Swift
2    CRX
2    Supra
1    Accord
1    318
1    9-3
1    MR2
1    300e
1    Milano
1    Model T
1    525i
1    900 Turbo
1    Sentra
1    300ZX
1    Golf
1    Mirage
1    GTV6
1    Probe
1    Mustang
1    Celica
1    244 V8
1    200SX
1    Integra
1    FX16
1    Protégé
1    Corolla

Re: Winner Stats

To be fair, the various E30's should be combined

Wins    Model
10  E30
6    Miata
5    MX3
4    RX7
3    Civic
3    Neon
3    Taurus SHO
2    280zx
2    535i
2    CRX
2    Metro/Swift
2    S500
2    Supra
1    200SX
1    244 V8
1    300e
1    300ZX
1    525i
1    900 Turbo
1    Celica
1    Corolla
1    FX16
1    Golf
1    GTV6
1    Integra
1    Milano
1    Mirage
1    Model T
1    MR2
1    Mustang
1    Probe
1    Protégé
1    Sentra

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Re: Winner Stats

BoB wrote:

I wouldn't say its a curse.  I mean GM has dominated the real winner category, the general just doesn't care about that silly overall win.

Which does bring up an interesting point, what are the stats on the REAL winning manufacturers?

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Re: Winner Stats

It would be interesting to relate the winning make/model data to number of entries per make/model.  That is, which make/model has the highest winning percentage?

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Phil had made an awesome spreadsheet years ago with all cars up to the 2009 season ranked by 1st third of pack, second, third.  Its a Jalopnik post somewhere.  I downloaded the data and tried to keep it going, getting up to about the middle of 2010.  That is how we know the Volvo/Saturn/Alfa Romeo are the top cars as far as being reliable.

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I would be interested to compare the number of entries by each manufacture. I am sure it would be skewed toward BMW E30, Mazda Miata, SHO's, etc.

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Re: Winner Stats

How about IOE stats? big_smile

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Re: Winner Stats

Those interested in compiling IOE stats are free to go nuts with it. It would be a quick, simple list to compile and the data is right here or here:

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I like looking through the whacky IOE winners, but don't feel compelled to compile "stats" on such an arbitrarily selected collection of cars. The moral of that story would be "yes, it does get weirder".

Re: Winner Stats

Jeff G 78 wrote:

To be fair, the various E30's should be combined

Wins    Model
10  E30
6    Miata
5    MX3
4    RX7
3    Civic
...

Yeah, I thought about breaking models down by generations too. Too lazy to research it. I think it would only affect the RX7, BMW 3 series, Supra, and Civic. Pretty sure all Miata's were 1st gen.

12 (edited by Racin_G73 2012-02-20 07:53 PM)

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Here's some stats on the arbitrarily selected IOE cars:

By corporate manufacturer -
Manufacturer    Pts
GM    19
Ford    7
Chrysler    6.25
VW    4
Alfa Romeo    3
BMW    3
Leyland    3
Toyota    2.5
Mazda    2
Nissan    2
Renault    2
Volvo    2
BMC    1.75
Fiat    1.5
Citroen    1
Lada    1
Mercedes    1
Saab    1
Wartburg    1


By Marquee -
Marquee    Pts
Chevy    8
Ford    7
VW    4
Alfa Romeo    3
BMW    3
Oldsmobile    3
Toyota    2.5
Buick    2
Cadillac    2
Datsun    2
Dodge    2
Mazda    2
MG    2
Opel    2
Plymouth    2
Pontiac    2
Renault    2
Volvo    2
Austin    1.75
Simca    1.25
Citroen    1
Fiat    1
Jeep    1
Lada    1
Mercedes    1
Saab    1
Triumph    1
Wartburg    1
Lancia    0.5

By Manufacturer, Make and Model -
Manufacturer    Make    Model    Pts
Ford    Ford    LTD    3
Alfa Romeo    Alfa Romeo    Spider    2
Chrysler    Plymouth    Fury    2
GM    Chevy    Chevette    2
GM    Chevy    S10    2
GM    Oldsmobile    98    2
GM    Opel    GT    2
BMC    Austin    Mini    1.25
Chrysler    Simca    1204    1.25
Alfa Romeo    Alfa Romeo    Berlina    1
BMW    BMW    2002    1
BMW    BMW    1600-2    1
BMW    BMW    530i    1
Chrysler    Dodge    Caravan    1
Chrysler    Dodge    Shadow    1
Chrysler    Jeep    Cherokee    1
Citroen    Citroen    D Special    1
Fiat    Fiat    600D    1
Ford    Ford    Fairmont    1
Ford    Ford    Granada    1
Ford    Ford    Mustang II    1
Ford    Ford    Thunderbird    1
GM    Buick    LeSabre    1
GM    Buick    Regal    1
GM    Cadillac    Eldorado    1
GM    Cadillac    Sedan Deville    1
GM    Chevy    Beretta    1
GM    Chevy    Cavalier    1
GM    Chevy    Citation    1
GM    Chevy    Corvair    1
GM    Pontiac    Bonneville    1
GM    Pontiac    Grand Prix    1
GM    Oldsmobile    Cutlass    1
Lada    Lada    Signet    1
Leyland    MG    MGB    1
Leyland    MG    MGB GT    1
Leyland    Triumph    TR7    1
Mazda    Mazda    RX2    1
Mazda    Mazda    RX7    1
Mercedes    Mercedes Benz    200    1
Nissan    Datsun    240Z    1
Nissan    Datsun    B210    1
Renault    Renault    4CV    1
Renault    Renault    LeCar    1
Saab    Saab    96    1
Toyota    Toyota    Hilux    1
Toyota    Toyota    Tercel    1
Volvo    Volvo    144    1
Volvo    Volvo    240    1
VW    VW    Beetle    1
VW    VW    Fastback    1
VW    VW    Karmann Ghia    1
VW    VW    Quantum Syncro    1
Wartburg    Wartburg    311    1
Fiat    Lancia    Scorpion    0.5
Toyota    Toyota    MR2    0.5
BMC    Austin    Mini Moke    0.25
BMC    Austin    America    0.25

(Partial points assigned in two cases - Spank's Class C onslaught and Speedycop's Lancia/MR2 hybrid.)

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Re: Winner Stats

Wow gm really is dominating ioe.  And thats not even counting my car that was missed.

That make 3 oldsmobiles making olds the second winnings marque under chevy.

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Re: Winner Stats

Fiat    Lancia    Scorpion    0.5
Toyota    Toyota    MR2    0.5

I need to build another mutant Lancia to get the Lancia win up to 1.

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Re: Winner Stats

If you take Hong Norrth, Eyesore, Race Hard Race Ugly, and POSRacing out, Mazda and BMW are nowhere near as dominant. BMW is probably going to own the constructor points championship, just from the sheer number of well-driven E30s and E28s. If we continue to get more E36s, however, that may change; the E36 has been pretty terrible in Lemons.

My opinion is that Mazda is still the strongest Lemons marque, in terms of likelihood of any given car being not-terribly-slow and not-terribly-unreliable.

Re: Winner Stats

BoB wrote:

Wow gm really is dominating ioe.  And thats not even counting my car that was missed.

That make 3 oldsmobiles making olds the second winnings marque under chevy.

Now, how in the hell did I do that...  I'll fix it tonight.

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Re: Winner Stats

Racin_G73 wrote:
BoB wrote:

Wow gm really is dominating ioe.  And thats not even counting my car that was missed.

That make 3 oldsmobiles making olds the second winnings marque under chevy.

Now, how in the hell did I do that...  I'll fix it tonight.

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18 (edited by Jer 2012-02-20 01:05 PM)

Re: Winner Stats

Judge Phil wrote:

If you take Hong Norrth, Eyesore, Race Hard Race Ugly, and POSRacing out, Mazda and BMW are nowhere near as dominant. BMW is probably going to own the constructor points championship, just from the sheer number of well-driven E30s and E28s. If we continue to get more E36s, however, that may change; the E36 has been pretty terrible in Lemons.

My opinion is that Mazda is still the strongest Lemons marque, in terms of likelihood of any given car being not-terribly-slow and not-terribly-unreliable.

Good point!  If you take out the turbo-charged Eyesore Miata, I think the Miata wins drop to two.  When is the last time a NA-Miata won?  I'd bet it was years ago.  The bimmers and Acuras are the fast cars now.

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Re: Winner Stats

The Miagra won last year.

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20 (edited by Speedycop 2012-02-20 03:25 PM)

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Jer wrote:

point!  If you take out the turbo-charged Eyesore Miata, I think the Miata wins drop to two.  When is the last time a NA-Miata won?  I'd bet it was years ago.  The CHEATY bimmers and Acuras are the fast cars now.

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Okay.  I fixed it.  Figured out why I missed the purple nurple's IOE.  Since I ran at the Showroom Schlock Shootout, I had already visited the results page (several times).  So when I finished recording the results from the race below it, I skipped it and went to the race above it.

Anywho, here it is.

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Judge Phil wrote:

If you take Hong Norrth, Eyesore, Race Hard Race Ugly, and POSRacing out, Mazda and BMW are nowhere near as dominant. BMW is probably going to own the constructor points championship, just from the sheer number of well-driven E30s and E28s. If we continue to get more E36s, however, that may change; the E36 has been pretty terrible in Lemons.

My opinion is that Mazda is still the strongest Lemons marque, in terms of likelihood of any given car being not-terribly-slow and not-terribly-unreliable.

The E36 is pretty horrible on the street and at the track.

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TeamDFL wrote:

The E36 is pretty horrible on the street and at the track.

Tubby Butterman seems to make it work...

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Re: Winner Stats

Jeff G 78 wrote:

To be fair, the various E30's should be combined

i don't think the ~120hp 325e should be lumped in with the ~170hp 325i.

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Re: Winner Stats

E30 is an E30 and so on.

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