OTHER crap can races? (Page 3 of 7)

+2!  Jay is in the unique position of having a product lots of customers want.  Since he has more customers than product he even gets to pick the customers out of a batch of entries.  Who doesn't run a business and wish they could pick their customers?  You think Jay is adding double the number of races/tracks just so some of us don't have as far to drive?  More dates = more customers = more money.  Hats off to Jay for turning this idea into a money making venture, but I hope nobody is under the illusion that he is doing all this just for fun. 

BTW "Bender/StickFigureRacing" I want one of those shirts!

It was a gift, I think it came from Cafe Press.

Fixed that for you:

I don't think that's the case.  So long as they keep strict that your car has to be crappy in order to have a chance at winning, there'll be very little incentive to put giant brakes on the car.  Sure, you can put them on, but when your car breaks down halfway or gets rear-ended and gets a black flag, your chance of winning is toast of no fault of your own. 

And if you're going to eventually get people loading up on brakes/wheels/tires, it's effectively no different for ChumpCar.  2 x OEM for brakes, wheels and tires can be a LOT of money.  Just ask your dealer: "I've got this 1965 Mercedes and it needs a brand new brake system installed, cost is no object" and double that price.  That gives you quite a bit of lee-way.

My point exactly, 2x Dealer cost is a crap load of money so the rule is kinda pointless.

Also correct.  We are Tire Limited more than brake limited.

However, I strongly disagree with John of Chumpcar that stock brakes are adequate for what we are doing.

I just finished running MSR Houston, full course with no obstructions just like the SCCA and NASA does.  Very few stock brakes are designed for that.  An econo ride like a Cavalier was designed to go to the grocery store not the race track.

Assuming you run the whole event, a 12-14 hour Enduro is like a full season of SCCA races for many guys.  A true 24 hour Enduro is twice as nuts.

We try to keep the car out for a full tank of gas at a time which is over 1.5-2 hours.  That's more continuous use than a weekend of Sprint racing a Spec Miata in SCCA. 

Finding a happy medium in the brake world is what guys need.  In many cases a set of stainless hoses, fresh hardware and some good track worthy pads is all you need. 

If you race a Ford, you're probably going to need more than that since they tend to underbrake their cars.  Why do you think Interceptors have bigger brakes?  The engineers know they put stuff that's barley adequate on their.

In our region, the SCCA rarely runs Enduros.  They typically get canceled.

NASA ran an 8 hour Enduro this spring.

They mostly run Sprint races.

Our melted Cavalier brake calipers after Buttonwillow, let me show you them.
Halfway through the backing plates, and with a failing automatic that wanted 3/4 throttle to have enough line pressure to not slip, eep.

Stock Miata brakes maybe will hold out longer, but a brake upgrade is useful for any car that we're likely to be running...

You're right, my mistake.

Upgrading to 98 and up stuff on older cruisers is supposed to be good.

It is, but it's only a direct swap on '96s and '97s.
They have the same spindles as the '98-02s and all you need is a set of junkyard hubs, calipers and rotors. Add good pads and stainless lines and you've got it done. I did it on my '96 years ago and it was great, but I should have probably added an adjustable prop valve to adjust the bias rearward a hair more.

uh, why? Tires are safety items. As long as the treadwear is above 190, why would there be any reason or feeling that it should be penalized? it would be like docking someone for showing up with a 1.75x0.134DOM cage on a festiva. complete overkill yeah, but hey, most of these cars a pair of new shocks would put'em over the limit so that huge contact patch is marginalized.

We run 205s on eight inch rims that stick out about 1.5-2 inches...never had a problem with cutting...been three races now(I'm knocking on wood).  If this was a Saturday night race at the local bull ring then I would be concerned.  Running these big wide tracks leaves a lot of room for everyone.  The added bonus is that the car looks really cool with the fatties.

WRONG!  I never admitted anything about the schedule being "estimated" and I completely reject any reference that the ChumpCar calendar was not set and contracted when we released it.  The initial schedule noted two tentative dates, based on the tracks inability to confirm their 2010 calendar, and we worked through those.  If you compare the initial release dates with the dates today, only 4 dates changed and those date changes were requested by the tracks based on THEIR schedule issues, not ChumpCars.   ChumpCar released its schedule early in hopes to avoid race conflicts.

John