Topic: Show us your fuel cell install

Can we get some pics up of fuel cell installs that have passed tech?

Thanks!

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Re: Show us your fuel cell install

Same car... Dry break (recessed) and non dry break (partial recessed)... With full bulkhead cover.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff42/flyhiflylo/2011%20Lemons%20build%20IROC%20MAIDEN/fuel%20cell/IMAG0839_zps58b30d38.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff42/flyhiflylo/2011%20Lemons%20build%20IROC%20MAIDEN/fuel%20cell/IMAG0260.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff42/flyhiflylo/2011%20Lemons%20build%20IROC%20MAIDEN/IMAG0382.jpg

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Re: Show us your fuel cell install

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a70/ninechaos/IMG_3015.jpg

I'll put this here.   big_smile

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Re: Show us your fuel cell install

there is no flail in this pan.

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Re: Show us your fuel cell install

http://www.murileemartin.com/UG/LEC11/LEC11-UG-013.jpg

^^^ and this.  hmm

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Re: Show us your fuel cell install

Scotty wrote:

Same car... Dry break (recessed) and non dry break (partial recessed)... With full bulkhead cover.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff42/flyhiflylo/2011%20Lemons%20build%20IROC%20MAIDEN/fuel%20cell/IMAG0839_zps58b30d38.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff42/flyhiflylo/2011%20Lemons%20build%20IROC%20MAIDEN/fuel%20cell/IMAG0260.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff42/flyhiflylo/2011%20Lemons%20build%20IROC%20MAIDEN/IMAG0382.jpg

what prompted you to make the change?

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Re: Show us your fuel cell install

Baron wrote:


what prompted you to make the change?


Not being able to dump the fuel cans easily with that crazy wing in the way. Wing stays no matter what...LOL

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Re: Show us your fuel cell install

Anyone have a fuel cell install in a hatch back?  How about with a remote fender fill?  We're struggling with finding a workable solution on our Metro.

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9 (edited by psychoboy 2013-05-16 11:26 AM)

Re: Show us your fuel cell install

i'm having the same concerns....

ATL box solves the bulkhead-for-the-tank concern, but there's not a good solution for the bulkhead-around-the-pipes/hoses-tubes concern.


unless the flap valve in the tank fill plate causes the fill tube to be fuel free, and therefore not needing a bulkhead (not likely, but you gotta have hope)

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Re: Show us your fuel cell install

TeamLemon-aid wrote:

Anyone have a fuel cell install in a hatch back?  How about with a remote fender fill?  We're struggling with finding a workable solution on our Metro.

We have a 16 gallon in he space where the spare wheel well used to be and a double hinged cover. It's kinda low and far back so required some rear impact bars.
We can dump gas in real fast using a five gallon funnel (water cooler jug wih top cut off) into the standard fuel cell opening. It's pretty much a case of dump the whole jug and watch it to down.
Considering a larger cell that will require a new higher lid.

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Re: Show us your fuel cell install

Scotty wrote:
Baron wrote:


what prompted you to make the change?


Not being able to dump the fuel cans easily with that crazy wing in the way. Wing stays no matter what...LOL

Are you using the dry break now?

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Re: Show us your fuel cell install

I have mocked up a possibility on our metro, but it doesn't look pretty.  Our issue is the cell has a nice place to sit in our Metro between the main hoop and the attachment points of the rear stays.  We can make a nice very sturdy shelf for the cell to attach to and it would be easy to even cage the cell for added protection.  It is VERY protected in this location.   It is higher for center of gravity than optimal, but we have no other options.  The rear of the hatch is not open due to our, um..... improvements to the metro (differential mounts, etc).  In addition it would be somewhat easy to make a 22ga bulk head enclosing it, but to be able to fill the tank is the issue.  A couple of brainstorming options.

1)  Remote fill with a ATL fender mounted port attached to flexible reinforced 2 1/4" hose running at a slight downward angle to remote fill plate.  If I could keep everything low enough, I could run a bulkhead shelf back to the rear of the car to intercept the hatch just below the rear window (sealing off the entire space).  Everything is enclosed, and easily accessible by closing or opening the hatch.  Fill during the race from the right rear fender.

2)  Similar to scenario #1, but completely enclose the rear hatch area from the main hoop to the hatch with 22ga sheet.  Mount the remote fender fill on something below the rear hatch and fill during the race from the rear (would have to open hatch, but area still technically isolated from driver).

3) Similar to 1, but if I can't keep the fill tube below the plane of the horizontal piece of sheet extending from the main hoop back to the hatch (due to the height of the cell, etc) providing part of my bulkhead, then still run the fill tube above the plane, but enclose it with a cylinder of sheet to the fender where the fender mounted fill plate is located.

All options are complicated and basically a PITA. 

I wish I could draw what I am thinking.  Would love to see a pic if someone already has figured this out.

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Re: Show us your fuel cell install

Baron wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Baron wrote:


what prompted you to make the change?


Not being able to dump the fuel cans easily with that crazy wing in the way. Wing stays no matter what...LOL

Are you using the dry break now?

they some baller desert racers with drybreaks on their 5 gals!   Scott & Fish rocking fuel towers and chase trucks in Lemons yet?

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Re: Show us your fuel cell install

555race wrote:
Baron wrote:
Scotty wrote:

Not being able to dump the fuel cans easily with that crazy wing in the way. Wing stays no matter what...LOL

Are you using the dry break now?

they some baller desert racers with drybreaks on their 5 gals!   Scott & Fish rocking fuel towers and chase trucks in Lemons yet?


  They are just for looks... Oh and Fish and I are far from Ballers...

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Re: Show us your fuel cell install

we have these on our jugs. They claim that they'll stop flowing when fluid hits the end of the nozzle. Haven't  been able to test that, but they are dry break when you lift them off whatever you're dumping into.

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Dry-Break … ,7351.html

http://static.speedwaymotors.com/RS/SR/Product/6969000_R.jpg

hoping they'll work well when we get our cell installed.

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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid … mp;theater

Our cell can take 5 gallons in about 10 seconds. Trick is the big 'ol fill and vent lines in our filler plate.

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Re: Show us your fuel cell install

TeamLemon-aid wrote:

Anyone have a fuel cell install in a hatch back?  How about with a remote fender fill?  We're struggling with finding a workable solution on our Metro.

i emailed TEO on another issue, and threw this question in at the end:

"On an entirely different front, my team is considering going with a fuel cell in our hatchback civic. Best placement puts it away from the edges, which will require a remote filler neck. The ATL box works as the fuel tank bulkhead, but what can we do for a bulkhead around the lines and the filler neck? Will properly shielded lines running quickly under the car and a metal filler neck suffice, or do we need to build a metal shield that will likely box in the whole of the hatchback?"

i got this back in response:

"You can use a remote fill, just use the correct (unfortunately, very expensive) parts: fill plate, hose, fill neck, etc.  Putting it together out of hardware store stuff won't pass tech.      The remote fill cannot, in any way, defeat the safety systems of the cell."

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Re: Show us your fuel cell install

TheEngineer wrote:

we have these on our jugs. They claim that they'll stop flowing when fluid hits the end of the nozzle. Haven't  been able to test that, but they are dry break when you lift them off whatever you're dumping into.

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Dry-Break … ,7351.html

http://static.speedwaymotors.com/RS/SR/Product/6969000_R.jpg

hoping they'll work well when we get our cell installed.


How fast do those pour?  We use a big funnel on our fuel cell and just dump into it directly from the jugs, which fills the cell pretty quickly, but often ends with spilled fuel.  If these can flow at a decent rate, they could be a viable alternative for us.

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Re: Show us your fuel cell install

Digging up an old thread.  I have discussed my plan for a fuel cell with Jay.  Once I have it completed, I will post it up for others to see a workable solution for  a remote fill of a fuel cell in a hatchback.  Basically... it ain't easy.

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20 (edited by psychoboy 2013-05-24 09:12 AM)

Re: Show us your fuel cell install

it'll be interesting to see how it compares to the solution I got from John (or rather, my interpretation of the words John used to answer my questions about the subject)

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