Fuel Jug Tech (Page 2 of 3)

What if you used something like this with elbows in both sides.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00835T89I/ref=biss_dp_t_asn

When you flip that dump can up on end to fuel that .75" vent is right next to your helmet.  You can hear the jug sucking air as fast as it can.  Its painfully obvious that the vent line is the single most limiting factor on what comes out the fill end.  If you went smaller it would just slow down the fill, same as if you were to halfway close the ball valve.  You can almost completely shut down the flow when you cut that valve closed, the whole jug feels like its going to implode as the vacuum hits.   

Northwet, yeah if you could just figure out how to install and tighten the side that's inside the jug.  Kinda like building a ship in a bottle.

the opening is fairly large on these jugs, shouldn't be too hard to get a hand and wrench inside to tighten things up?

On this subject, the ball valve on the 555 guys jugs is what makes it work. The vacuum of the jug being upright and then opening the valve creates pulls whatever fuel that is in the elbow and line out right away, otherwise it is just a P trap and you arent pulling more air than you were before. We tried it, that's what happened. In fact, a smaller line cleared the P trap quicker and flow faster, again without the ball valve.

fair enough. I was just trying to envision the opening in my head. I'll go look at mine when I get home and see if i just have small hands, or a poor recollection of the opening.

You can get bulkhead fittings with an internal hex or flat spots on the outside to hold while tightening. You still have to fish it into the hole though.

Of course, you could always try to get away with these. Basically they are the Hunsakers, but made of aluminum

http://pitstopusa.com/i-5079312-richard … allon.html

They meet NASCAR safety rules, so why not?

Sorry to make an obvious point but your comparing apples to oranges just because the hunsaker doesn't mention it is DOT or SCCA approved they are still not modifying their jugs and you are. Your trying to discredit the other jugs as illegal so you can run your modifyied ones, If I saw you bringing these to the track and we were battling it out for a win I would cry foul, just my  $.02  I'm all for making fueling safer but shouldn't you be sending this to Jay for approval before just posting it on the forum like this?

Whoa who highjacked my login and posted all that good tech for bad!  Or maybe thats my plan get everyone to do this so our team can protest all the other teams and win all the riches and accolades??? 

I love the Hunsakers, they are just twice the cost, and still require being MODIFIED to work.  Maybe not to the extent of these jugs but adding a filler hose is a modification from how it came from the factory and went across the counter in a sale.  But lets put that aside, thats not the problem, please go back and read the rule (I'll paste it below), and you will understand the issue.

3.32: Fueling: All fueling must be done from handheld DOT-, SCCA-, or FIA-approved 5-gallon or smaller jugs or from the track's permanent pumps.

-Not even a whiff of the word or intent of "UNMODIFIED" is in that rule.
-If your argument is I have modified a  DOT-, SCCA-, or FIA-approved jug.  I have not, the Jugs in this tech and including the Hunsakers are not  DOT-, SCCA-, or FIA-approved.

So does that make all or nearly all Lemons teams violating the fueling rule with their illegal jugs? 

Wise words, we are a SAFETY 1st team.  Our FUELER even wears an SFI fueling apron so even if he does get a splash it does not soak into his firesuit. 
I did the tech and started this topic because of all of the UNSAFE fueling witnessed at Lemons events.  Downright scary.   Then when we found out that the West Coast races everyone fuels in their paddock our minds were blown!

This topic has been covered many times (search), I did not start this TECH for interpretations of the rules debate, you have opened that door.  I don't think that belongs here as neither you, me or 99.9% of anyone on this forum makes the rules or enforces them.   
I take great offense to your commentary that we are cheating and you would blow a whistle on us as such.  You have a different interpretation, so be it, but a problem exists and I have taken the time and effort to show a solution to the problem.  You on the other hand have been a commercial for Hunsaker and bad mouthed me.  Bravo, you have eliminated someone from the chances of being friends/allies/come to your aid at a race with that one tool you forgot to bring.  Be a problem solver.

But back to your question I pulled aside above: I'm not sure what I would need Jays approval for, he has seen our jugs at 5 of the 6 events we've done with them as we have always pitted with in a beer toss of TECH/BS/Penalty Box.  Hard to miss when they roll back and forth next to the Penalty box 20 times in a weekend.  As well as this hasn't been an issue for any other teams running similar setups. 

For everyone else, I hope the tech helps a few of you and stops you from wasting time recreating the wheel. 

Good luck at the track.

And yet another one : From Jay
"The purpose of the rule is to have people use 5-gallon (or smaller) fuel jugs. If it's 5 gallons or smaller, and it was made in a real factory by a real business, and it's sold to real people at real stores for the express purpose of carrying real fuel, it's OK. It's a 5-gallon goddamn fuel jug: You don't need to be Supreme Court Judge Potter Steward to know it when you see it.

"If it's an old cider jug, then it's not frickin' OK. If you add a pump, or a siphon, or put it on a rack, or do anything else that you think is incredibly clever, it's not OK. We want you pouring your fuel into your fuel tank from 5-gallon fuel jugs that you lifted by hand. Please get on with your life now."

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Man these are all over this forum.

Jay has seen our jugs upclose and personal, and did not comment, take that for what you will that's what we did.  He did ask if we needed a hand on the fire extinguisher as we were getting ready to transfer from a tank to the jugs.  We did not.   

Maybe I should go file a patent on the vent design now so its all "professional".    LOL