Topic: Better, Faster, Stronger (Team LOL Volvo 122 Build Thread)

Exactly one month after the untimely demise of the ’71 Volvo 1800E at Thunderhill, we were given a ’66 Volvo 122. The car had been “stored” on a Sierra Foothills timber preserve since 1987. Where other people would see a rat-infested heap, rotting away in the forest; we see Lemons racing glory! The plan is to transplant the heart and soul (engine, drivetrain, suspension) of our 1800E into the beast. More to come soon!
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Note the copious amount of rat poop in the cylinders.

Seth Friesen - Lead wrench turner, LOL Racing
'84 Volvo 245 (Angela) - Sold
'71 Volvo 1800E - Dead
'66 Volvo 122 - 2015 Sears Pointless IOE winner!

Re: Better, Faster, Stronger (Team LOL Volvo 122 Build Thread)

As the captain of the only other team in Lemons to have ever campaigned a Volvo 122, I have to say...I always wondered why it's taken another team so long to do so!

Pre-build:

https://sites.google.com/site/tunachuckers/lemons1016.jpg

First race:

https://sites.google.com/site/tunachuckers/08raceday10.JPG

3rd or 4th race:

http://nuldi.com/media/2009/09/19/the-top-113-lemons-of-the-24-hours-of-lemons-south-fall-2009-45-195366.jpg

Can't find any pictures of it's last race, painted black in "Spaceballs" theme.

Tunachuckers: 15 Years of Effluency
'08 - '10: 1966 Volvo 122, "Charlie"
'10 - '18: 1975 Ford LTD Landau --> 2018 - current: Converted into 1950 "Plymford"
'22 - current: 1967 Volvo 122, "Charlie ]["

Re: Better, Faster, Stronger (Team LOL Volvo 122 Build Thread)

Tuna Chuckers! How did you mount your fuel cell?

Seth Friesen - Lead wrench turner, LOL Racing
'84 Volvo 245 (Angela) - Sold
'71 Volvo 1800E - Dead
'66 Volvo 122 - 2015 Sears Pointless IOE winner!

Re: Better, Faster, Stronger (Team LOL Volvo 122 Build Thread)

sethfriesen wrote:

Tuna Chuckers! How did you mount your fuel cell?

Gentle words and lots of lube I am sure.

Re: Better, Faster, Stronger (Team LOL Volvo 122 Build Thread)

California teams...

I hate you guys.

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Re: Better, Faster, Stronger (Team LOL Volvo 122 Build Thread)

Our team is entirely in favor of dragging '60s Swedish sedans out of someone's back forty and turning them into fine racing machines.  Congratulations and best wishes.

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Re: Better, Faster, Stronger (Team LOL Volvo 122 Build Thread)

Here's what a Volvo 122 looks like after 27 years in the forest in Ohio:

http://westy-werks.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/rust-removed-from-burner-box.jpg

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Re: Better, Faster, Stronger (Team LOL Volvo 122 Build Thread)

Volvo 122's usually don't rust badly.  1800s are way worse.  That said, I have some 122s on my property that look like they've taken a decades-long bath in a flooded salt mine.

As for our fuel cell...well, you see, back in the Tunachuckers 122's day...the Lemons rules on "safety" and "fuel cells" were a bit more lax.  That said, we absolutely had to ditch the stock tank- the fuel filler stuck out about even with the back bumper.  It would be worse than a Pinto.  One of our teammates found about a 15 gallon rotomolded plastic "fuel cell" from a relative who used to drag race and we removed the stock tank (which sits through the hole in the trunk floor) put some metal straps around it to hold it in place, and called it good.  Hey, it had foam inside it...

Towards the end of the car's career Lemons started requiring a metal encased fuel cell.  So, I welded up a box out of ~16 gauge sheet metal and we dropped the old plastic "cell" into it, and then back into the trunk hole.  Again, metal banding straps held it in place.

For reference, our driver's seat was some sort of plastic/ fiberglass thing that I wouldn't put on a lawn tractor now.  But again, back in those days you could still run a stock driver's seat, so it was sort-of an improvement.  Maybe.

What would I do now?  Well, it's a little tricky.  Obviously you want the fuel cell as far forward and low in the trunk as possible for weight distribution, but the rear axle kinda gets in the way.  I'd probably take a stock tank and cut it in half horizontally, and leave the bottom half in the car to act as a "floor" for the cell.  Then get whatever modern, safe fuel cell that fits in that size hole and weld angle iron around it to hold it in place.  A 5/16 fuel line should be plenty to feed any B20 you care to use. 

Can you tell I've been thinking about this for myself?  ;-)

And, yes, I have a warehouse full of used Amazon parts if you need anything- I ship almost anything, almost anywhere.  For new stuff, obviously you probably know about IPD and Olaf Malberg and VLVWorld.

Tunachuckers: 15 Years of Effluency
'08 - '10: 1966 Volvo 122, "Charlie"
'10 - '18: 1975 Ford LTD Landau --> 2018 - current: Converted into 1950 "Plymford"
'22 - current: 1967 Volvo 122, "Charlie ]["

Re: Better, Faster, Stronger (Team LOL Volvo 122 Build Thread)

mechimike wrote:

Volvo 122's usually don't rust badly.

Not every car in California is rust free... But considering that it sat outside since 1987 with the windows down, it faired well. We have our work cut out for us.  This is exciting! I have never stripped a car down this far before. The rear floorboards will obviously be replaced with a fairly heavy gauge sheet metal. By having the rear section flat instead of a tub will make room for a reasonably sized muffler underneath. The front outer sections will also need replacement, especially where the front roll bar hoop will mount.
http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/alfaseth/IMG_0131_zps53b2ec9a.jpghttp://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/alfaseth/IMG_0130_zps48e491ed.jpghttp://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/alfaseth/IMG_0132_zps4e29eff4.jpg

Seth Friesen - Lead wrench turner, LOL Racing
'84 Volvo 245 (Angela) - Sold
'71 Volvo 1800E - Dead
'66 Volvo 122 - 2015 Sears Pointless IOE winner!

Re: Better, Faster, Stronger (Team LOL Volvo 122 Build Thread)

The front cross members on these cars are a weak spot. I have had the rear a-arm gussets break away from the cross member. I have also heard that the shock towers can break (I have never actually seen this happen before). I can see why these parts don't hold up on a race track, they did a pretty minimal amount of welding from the factory. With the engine out is obviously the best time to tackle this job. It is really amazing how little time it takes to pull the font end completely apart.

Here is the fix for the shock tower. I think the real problem with the factory set-up is the hole drilled for the shock is way too big, almost to the point that the rubber could be shoved through. http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/alfaseth/IMG_0140_zps03b1d38f.jpghttp://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/alfaseth/IMG_0138_zpsa3ded9b7.jpg
Assembling the front suspension in the comfort of my garage. Everything but the crossmember is coming from the 1800. We had been using IPD poly upper control arm bushings, but after 4 track events, they were totally thrashed. This time I installed stock rubber bushings, hopefully they will have a longer life span. Even though the 122 crossmember looks similar to the 1800's, they are very different. I had to do quite a bit of re-shaping the brake lines to fit on the 122 crossmember. http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/alfaseth/IMG_0146_zps871f9056.jpghttp://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/alfaseth/IMG_0148_zpsd26d5b80.jpg

Seth Friesen - Lead wrench turner, LOL Racing
'84 Volvo 245 (Angela) - Sold
'71 Volvo 1800E - Dead
'66 Volvo 122 - 2015 Sears Pointless IOE winner!

Re: Better, Faster, Stronger (Team LOL Volvo 122 Build Thread)

Nice work!  We had the exact same experience with those poly upper A-arm bushings on our 122.  We switched to rubber and had no problems.  I think it was an issue with the poly bushings being made in 2 halves, vs a single piece for the rubber.  The poly seems to work OK everywhere else.  Although it was a bear to install in the rear suspension.  Being a 66 (like our car was) you have the early suspension.  Too bad, the later suspension bolts right up to the 1800 stuff.  Although, with a little welding, anything's possible.

Good job on the welding.  This is something I always wanted to do with ours, but never got around to it.  We never did have an issue with it though.  I've rallycrossed a 122, and never had a problem.  Still, better to be safe...

I love the front suspensions on these things, so user friendly.  I'm going to be building up one for my street car pretty soon.  IPD had a black Friday sale and I bought everything.  ;-)

One thought I had about those lower A arm ball joints...do you think they could be bolted to the top of the A-arm, rather than the bottom?  This might lower the car (basically, act like a drop spindle) without affecting the roll center...it's an idea I had a while ago and have been wanting to try. 

Also, we converted to Nissan 240SX front discs and aluminum Mustang calipers.  Cheaper, easier to get replacements, easier to get pads for.  All it required was a little machining on the hub face (after removing the old solid disc) and an adaptor bracket for the caliper.  We also ran the 5 x 4.5 bolt pattern wheels.  You sticking with the later 1800 bolt pattern?  (5 x 108mm or whatever it was)

Tunachuckers: 15 Years of Effluency
'08 - '10: 1966 Volvo 122, "Charlie"
'10 - '18: 1975 Ford LTD Landau --> 2018 - current: Converted into 1950 "Plymford"
'22 - current: 1967 Volvo 122, "Charlie ]["

Re: Better, Faster, Stronger (Team LOL Volvo 122 Build Thread)

One thought I had about those lower A arm ball joints...do you think they could be bolted to the top of the A-arm, rather than the bottom?  This might lower the car (basically, act like a drop spindle) without affecting the roll center...it's an idea I had a while ago and have been wanting to try.

I think that can be done. I have never tried it. I'll throw that idea out to the fellas on turbobricks and see what they say.

Also, we converted to Nissan 240SX front discs and aluminum Mustang calipers.  Cheaper, easier to get replacements, easier to get pads for.  All it required was a little machining on the hub face (after removing the old solid disc) and an adaptor bracket for the caliper.  We also ran the 5 x 4.5 bolt pattern wheels.  You sticking with the later 1800 bolt pattern?  (5 x 108mm or whatever it was)

When we were building the 1800 we ran into the problem of front rotors made out of unobtainium. Only available from the dealer for almost $200 a pop! We fabricated a new bracket to accept Volvo 240 calipers and vented rotors. We are sticking with the Volvo bolt pattern. I really wanted a '67 or newer car to bolt the rear-end onto with no modifications, but this car became available for free (previous owner was more than happy to have us take it off his property!)

So, here is the plan for the slightly cheaty rear axle...
http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/alfaseth/withlowerlink_zps447021ab.png

Seth Friesen - Lead wrench turner, LOL Racing
'84 Volvo 245 (Angela) - Sold
'71 Volvo 1800E - Dead
'66 Volvo 122 - 2015 Sears Pointless IOE winner!

Re: Better, Faster, Stronger (Team LOL Volvo 122 Build Thread)

Much progress over the past month, here is the latest. We have the axles back in the car! The heim joint rear suspension turned out well. This car being a '66 had the older style rear suspension linkage. We had to make some custom links to be able to use our 1800E axle. Nothing says "racecar" more than some spiffy heim joints and swaged tubes! (hopefully the Lemons judges turn a blind eye here). Here is a shot of my little helper tightening the jamb nuts!
http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/alfaseth/IMG_0216_zps2c0b43a4.jpg

Front clip installed, wheels on. And most importantly race car numbers!
http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/alfaseth/IMG_0213_zps20671220.jpg


The engine goes in! Hopefully, the accident didn't damage any of the internals; doesn't seem likely... Note how classy these fellas are!

http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/alfaseth/IMG_0218_zps879371bf.jpg

The transmission tunnel in the 122 needs "manipulation" in order to fit the transmission from the 1800. Turns out that the top half of a Volvo 240 trans tunnel happens to almost fit perfectly on the 122 tunnel! Thanks to tremendous Volvo geeks for figuring that out. And also thanks to a plasma cutter, mig welder and a hammer, the tunnel is done. Note the notch cut out of the driveshaft tunnel, more on that later...
http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/alfaseth/IMG_0225_zpsf34bc01e.jpghttp://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/alfaseth/IMG_0227_zps252fd59f.jpg

Seth Friesen - Lead wrench turner, LOL Racing
'84 Volvo 245 (Angela) - Sold
'71 Volvo 1800E - Dead
'66 Volvo 122 - 2015 Sears Pointless IOE winner!

Re: Better, Faster, Stronger (Team LOL Volvo 122 Build Thread)

Cutting holes in a Volvo floor to clear the driveshaft? I've never heard of that before. :-)

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Re: Better, Faster, Stronger (Team LOL Volvo 122 Build Thread)

Is the other hole related to the center support bearing?

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Re: Better, Faster, Stronger (Team LOL Volvo 122 Build Thread)

Welding to the original sheet metal, so cheaty.

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Re: Better, Faster, Stronger (Team LOL Volvo 122 Build Thread)

CPT_Trans_Continental wrote:

Welding to the original sheet metal, so cheaty.

If it makes you feel better, the metal was a little rusty...

Seth Friesen - Lead wrench turner, LOL Racing
'84 Volvo 245 (Angela) - Sold
'71 Volvo 1800E - Dead
'66 Volvo 122 - 2015 Sears Pointless IOE winner!

Re: Better, Faster, Stronger (Team LOL Volvo 122 Build Thread)

Wow.  this is _much_ nicer than our Amazon was.  You have floorboards.

Tunachuckers: 15 Years of Effluency
'08 - '10: 1966 Volvo 122, "Charlie"
'10 - '18: 1975 Ford LTD Landau --> 2018 - current: Converted into 1950 "Plymford"
'22 - current: 1967 Volvo 122, "Charlie ]["

19 (edited by CPT_Trans_Continental 2015-01-29 11:41 AM)

Re: Better, Faster, Stronger (Team LOL Volvo 122 Build Thread)

What is this, you Americans say, floorboards? What do they, um, look like? When we were little children, if somebody dropped their dinner, we would yell, FLOOR BORSCHT! Is this what you mean?

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Re: Better, Faster, Stronger (Team LOL Volvo 122 Build Thread)

CPT_Trans_Continental wrote:

What is this, you Americans say, floorboards? What do they, um, look like? When we were little children, if somebody dropped their dinner, we would yell, FLOOR BORSCHT! Is this what you mean?

In Soviet Russia... (witty reversal goes here, I've got nothin')

Seth Friesen - Lead wrench turner, LOL Racing
'84 Volvo 245 (Angela) - Sold
'71 Volvo 1800E - Dead
'66 Volvo 122 - 2015 Sears Pointless IOE winner!

Re: Better, Faster, Stronger (Team LOL Volvo 122 Build Thread)

sethfriesen wrote:
CPT_Trans_Continental wrote:

What is this, you Americans say, floorboards? What do they, um, look like? When we were little children, if somebody dropped their dinner, we would yell, FLOOR BORSCHT! Is this what you mean?

In Soviet Russia... (witty reversal goes here, I've got nothin')

In Soviet Russia, boards floor you!

?

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Re: Better, Faster, Stronger (Team LOL Volvo 122 Build Thread)

Caged. Now we are committed...
http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/alfaseth/IMG_0246_zps0c49dd92.jpghttp://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/alfaseth/IMG_0247_zps720ce0c8.jpghttp://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/alfaseth/IMG_0248_zps7c2e79cb.jpg

Seth Friesen - Lead wrench turner, LOL Racing
'84 Volvo 245 (Angela) - Sold
'71 Volvo 1800E - Dead
'66 Volvo 122 - 2015 Sears Pointless IOE winner!

Re: Better, Faster, Stronger (Team LOL Volvo 122 Build Thread)

We made it!!!
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/bottlingguy/Mobile%20Uploads/56D3936A-165C-4423-8207-27EE722A4C32_zpso8uv3b64.jpg

1967 Volvo 122s IOE and C class winner with the transplanted heart of the 1800
1971 Volvo 1800 IOE winner! Killed by a k wall
1984 Volvo 245  Angela Lansbury *sold
Established 2011

24 (edited by FPRbuzz 2015-03-21 07:36 AM)

Re: Better, Faster, Stronger (Team LOL Volvo 122 Build Thread)

Looks killer. Glad you made it. What are those wheels off of? They look great.

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Re: Better, Faster, Stronger (Team LOL Volvo 122 Build Thread)

They are off a Volvo 780 I believe

1967 Volvo 122s IOE and C class winner with the transplanted heart of the 1800
1971 Volvo 1800 IOE winner! Killed by a k wall
1984 Volvo 245  Angela Lansbury *sold
Established 2011