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Carry extra water and use the float to automatically replenish the hopper when it gets too low

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Made some progress, although slower than I'd like. While the engine and generator head are unused, they have been sitting for 12 years. The engine was simple enough, whatever assembly lube they used on the fuel pump had turned into a brown crusty substance. I had to knock the piston out of it with a hammer, but it cleaned up fine. It fires up every time now. The generator was a mess. This has got to be the worst QC that I've ever seen. Every wire junction was between dissimilar metals and twisted together by hand, except for the four main power leads, which were copper/steel, but crimped. So after 12 years of galvanic corrosion, the exciter and harmonic windings both opened as soon as I spun it up, and all of the leads were loose. I managed to reach in there and crimp the five exciter winding connections, and soldered all of the leads, but had to buy an aftermarket voltage regulator to bypass the harmonic winding because I couldn't reach it. The bearing grease had dried out and gotten crusty, so I had to pop the case ends and clean/repack them, and the tiny little brush holder bolts snapped off when I looked at them, so I drilled/tapped new holes and bought some good SS screws to hold the brushes in place. I need to further brace the mounting skids, but it's basically working. Next step is locking down the VR and rectifier, then putting a load on it to see if anything smokes. I figure I'll wire a 50A outlet to it and run the Duff bus AC's off of it for a few hours:


https://youtu.be/SgJvPe3nE0s


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It fits. I'm going to have to fab up a battery tray in the passenger seat area and put the supplemental coilover shocks (or suitable replacements, the originals were solid rust) back on the rear suspension because it's almost back up to factory weight. I want to get it bolted together and operational this week so I can exhibit it at the Hilton Head Island Motoring Festival & Concours d'Elegance Savannah Speed Classic next weekend. There's an open invitation to Lemons teams and it sounds like a pretty swanky event, so you all should get over there and help me  show them how the proletariat hoons.

Looking in the passenger window and seeing the giant generator head behind the driver is pretty cool. This is a much more impressive-looking setup than the puny HF generator that I was originally going to use:
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I see nothing but a steady torque curve rising to a glorious future.

Will the driver need to wear ear protection? How loud is the setup?

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I'm hoping that it's not very loud; it's a single-cylinder diesel turning over at 1800 RPM. I'll have to see when I get it running in the car. I still have to make a battery tray and some brackets to lock the generator set frame to the rear subframe reinforcement under the car. Luckily the car is already heavily reinforced to handle the weight of the rear battery box, so there's plenty of heavy steel framework that was added under the car that I can bolt stuff to.

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If the car ends up not being a viable race car, it should be a great portable welding rig.

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How much fuel does the tank hold?  Any idea how long it will run at full song before you need to make a pit stop?

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The fuel tank on the engine will have to be removed before tech and replaced with a fuel cell. I plan on putting a fuel cell under the rear of the car where the factory charger was mounted. The generator at full load should use about 2 gallons per hour, so a 5-gallon cell should easily get us through a driver stint. I may also order a stock 1981 Plymouth TC3 gas tank from Rock Auto and see what's required to mount it in the factory location. I still have to see how much water boils off under load and see how often we have to top off the cooling hopper. We'll have to have a 5-gal fuel jug filled with water for that.

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Battery tray is in the car and battery mounts are secured to it. This actually bolts in to the seat belt mounting points, a cage spreader plate, and another spreader plate that I made on the center trunk using brackets that I made. I'm starting to get pretty good with the welder.

I'll put a tray on top of these batteries for the charger and the DC power supply. Later I'll need to mount more batteries, but I'll probably make a tray for those under the hood:

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There, got the important part taken care of:

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I was wrong. It is loud. I finally load tested the BFG 9000 by driving it around the front of the shop and hooking it up to the Duff bus (I wired up a 50A RV outlet to it) with both AC units cranked with the doors open, all of the fluorescent lights on, some fans, battery chargers, the deep freezer, and whatever else I could find plugged in to it. It chugged along powering everything for several hours. This may actually work, but it's awesomely loud, shakes violently, and blows a lot of steam out the top. It's perfect. I need to put the cover on the cooling hopper; it boils like crazy under load and splashes all of the rusty water out of it. I'm thinking that a steam whistle is what I really need:



https://youtu.be/Of91vdsZXMo




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The rear was really sagging with the weight of this setup, so I bought some extra coilover shocks with 450 lb/in springs. It already had mounting points for them, which I modified a bit because I couldn't find ones exactly like the originals, but they mostly bolted right up. The rear no longer sags and the shocks really work; it's not bouncy at all any more. I took it out for a quick hoon around the neighborhood, and it drives fine. It's a bit more like Sparky V1 with the huge battery box in the rear. It really likes to turn in and the brakes require a lot more effort, but it's definitely trackable:

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Next on the agenda is getting the charger installed and programmed for the new generator, locking down the auxiliary battery that I use to start the generator, and installing the DC PS. I'll do that tomorrow or Monday so I can get it on the trailer on Tuesday for its trip to Savannah.

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rmcdaniels wrote:

it's awesomely loud, shakes violently, and blows a lot of steam out the top. It's perfect. I need to put the cover on the cooling hopper; it boils like crazy under load and splashes all of the rusty water out of it. I'm thinking that a steam whistle is what I really need

Just one whistle? Hell, go for the whole enchilada and slap in a steam-powered calliope.

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Or an aeolipile.

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rmcdaniels wrote:

Or an aeolipile.

Only if the exit nozzles are also steam whistles.

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An aeleoipile goes around and around while doing nothing useful. So Lemony! Add steam whistles.

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I got the top on the cooling hopper today, so now it just spits steam out of a tube. A big fancy brass/glass sight glass assembly is on order to replace that piece of rubber hose so we can keep an eye on the hopper level. I also broke out a 8' 2x4 (to pry with) and some shim washers and got the engine-generator coupler properly aligned. It was close before, but the tolerance is .1mm, so I lined it up pretty much perfectly. I don't know if my wooden mounting frame will survive long term or if I'll have to build a proper 4" c-channel frame for it, but we'll see how it goes:

http://www.carolinahondas.com/members/roger-albums-pj-picture6692-serhyb9.jpg


Next up was mounting and wiring the traction pack charger, 12v DC power supply, and getting the generator starting battery boxed. I put a small 2A maintenance charger on the generator battery and wired it all up in a marine battery box with an extension cord running to a 120v outlet that I ran off one side of the gen head. That outlet also runs the DC PS and the Arduino that controls the charger. There are probably too many bungee cords for it to get through tech, but I think that it's ready for its first real drive:

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I fired it up and let the charger come on line. It was still programmed to push 4500 watts from my previous trip to CMP with the small HF generator, and the genset hardly noticed that. The gen head is good for 15KW, but the engine will only support about 12KW, so I compromised and programmed it for 9KW. It definitely noticed that. This charger can put much more of a load on it than the RV could. I had to open up the throttle quite a bit (involves climbing out of the car, unscrewing the throttle lock, setting it to a new position, and locking it down). The throttle valve is slightly misaligned from when I disassembled the fuel pump, and I've compensated by backing the throttle stop way out, but I'll need to open the fuel pump up again to properly align the valve if I want much more power out of it.  It dumps a lot of energy back in to the battery pack. I can watch it go up rapidly when I'm off throttle.

For a while an alarming burning smell came out of the gen head, so I stood by with a fire extinguisher, but I think that it was just the "new" burning off of it, because no smoke came out of it and it eventually settled down and stopped smelling like it was burning. At this point I'm a little nervous about climbing inside this contraption, but it was time to take it out on the road.


HOLY CRAP THIS THING IS SCARY AND AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I'm still smiling from my brief ride. It started raining pretty hard after I'd only made it a few blocks, so I cut my drive short, but that was enough to get a feel for it. It is loud, but not buzzy loud like it was before. It only turns over at 1800 RPM, but when the engine is loaded the tone of it gets deep and is very distinctive. You can definitely hear it coming a long way off, and it doesn't sound like a car or a generator. It sounds like a big old tractor, or like a sped up version of the Star Wars pod racer that made the thumping noise. I don't get the wash of heat and exhaust fumes that I got from the HF generator, but I haven't gone that far yet. It shakes, a lot. The whole car shakes violently at 1800hz and you can feel it through the ground surrounding it when you really load the generator. Everyone that you pass stops what they are doing or talking about and stares at it, their heads swiveling to follow it until it is out of sight. The whole time that I drove it, Johnny Cash's "One Piece at a Time" kept going through my head:

"You'll know it's me when I come through your town
I'm gonna ride around in style
I'm gonna drive everybody wild
'Cause I'll have the only one there is around."

When I got back to the shop, the pack level was several volts higher than it was when I left, and I only went a couple of blocks. I'm charging these batteries much faster than I ever have before. This may actually work, or it may really blow up. Ricky thinks that we need to wall the driver away from the machinery and electrons with some nice thick Lexan. I'm starting to agree with him.

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rmcdaniels wrote:

It only turns over at 1800 RPM, but when the engine is loaded the tone of it gets deep and is very distinctive. You can definitely hear it coming a long way off, and it doesn't sound like a car or a generator. It sounds like a big old tractor, or like a sped up version of the Star Wars pod racer that made the thumping noise.

Like so?

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rmcdaniels wrote:

  I'm charging these batteries much faster than I ever have before. This may actually work, or it may really blow up. Ricky thinks that we need to wall the driver away from the machinery and electrons with some nice thick Lexan. I'm starting to agree with him.

Bravo!

I see no way this can end in failure.

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I took it out on the beltline around Raleigh today. Running at 9KW still isn't enough to keep it charged at 60-70 MPH, but my battery box was flexing a lot. It was never meant to handle the torsional stress of something like this. At a light load, it's not bad, but under a serious load, this setup flexes way too much. It snapped off one of the coupler bolts after a couple of hours. I tried bracing the mounting platform, but it's still not good enough. I'm going to have to build a heavy metal frame for this before I turn it up to 11. Other than my wooden frame being too flexible, it worked great and I drove around Raleigh belching soot and steam for over an hour. Imagine being behind this at a stop light:

https://youtu.be/NFI3tcZ8Aso

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That is a truly terrifying and wonderful machine. You are my hero.

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Way too much flex in the gen set mount. I fired it up yesterday and it snapped all of the coupler bolts and snapped one of the legs of the engine stand. I have placed a moratorium on starting the engine until I can get a proper frame built for it. Tonight we charged up the batteries from track power here at Savannah so we can turn some parade laps tomorrow. I also ordered a proper curved jaw Lovejoy-style coupler from Central Georgia Generator.

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Might consider pouring a 4 inch thick concrete pad to mount it.  That is probably recommended in the manual.

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The shredded and shattered remains of my direct coupler bolts/isolators and one of the engine mounts. Talking to someone from another team who does power generation for a living, considerable precision is required when coupling a generator head to an engine, and my idea of a precision Lemons vehicle assembly tool is a framing nail gun, so this is not really a surprising result, and probably was the best result under the circumstances.

When my new coupler gets in, I'll have to make a much better frame. Either that or farm the frame out to a local welding/fabrication shop that does this kind of stuff. I will probably try it myself first, because I am stupid that way.

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nimblemotorsports wrote:

Might consider pouring a 4 inch thick concrete pad to mount it.  That is probably recommended in the manual.

Actually, that would only add 500 pounds to the vehicle, so maybe.

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That's a spectacularly thorough failure right there.  I applaud your dedication.

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Got the new coupler on the gen shaft. It is keyed and interference fit, so some heat was required. You can also see the beginnings of my c-channel frame for the gen set. The center of the gen shaft is 1" higher than the center of the engine shaft, so I mounted the gen head on 4" rails and the engine on 5" rails:

http://www.carolinahondas.com/members/roger-albums-pj-picture6711-coupler205.jpg


And just before I left town for a while, the machine shop delivered my Frankenstein hybrid coupler attachment for the engine. I'll be in Germany for a couple of weeks, and then at Road Atlanta to kick all you guys asses at the race in our badass diesel Mercedes, but after that I should be able to put all of this mess together and get this monstrosity fired up again:

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