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I don't need to see another video, it was clear you were the Braunschweiger in a BMW sandwich, Car on the far outside tried to make 3 cars fit into the space of 2.

It could have been mechanical, but it does look like they just dived to the apex thinking the two of you were ghost laps or something.

Hey Mike, sorry I wasn't accusing you of intentionally hitting them. I was just saying it looked like you were cutting in front of the 945 car to get around the 47 car on your left and misjudged it. I had several cars do the same move to me Sunday while I held the inside line of the bowl in our slower car trying to stay out of people's way.

I didn't realize you were bumped by the 47 car, you can't really see it from that video. Unless the driver of that car sees this post I doubt we'll ever know why they moved over, could have been a mistake or mechanical problem.

I wasn't suggesting that your move was in the same category that the driver of the orange BMW pulled. It was a tight gap and you went for it. That's racing. I personally might not have because this is amateur racing and you're putting a lot of trust in two fellow drivers of varying skill levels to see you're there, hold their line and leave you that gap, but I don't fault you for going for it.

Again, glad you're OK and hope to see you at future races

We did our best to keep out of the way but we noticed lots of drivers cutting us off during their pass for no reason.  Like once they no longer saw us they decided we were no longer there. 

BTW: You're welcome for not blocking you or letting you hit us.

Bill

This is a lesson that all need to learn. If you come up on a car on the right side, never, ever, ever assume that they see you, even if you're about even with them. that side is harder to see from inside the car with a helmet, hans, and racing. I can't tell you how many times I've had the door slammed from that side even when I was sure they could see me. Happens passing on the left too, but more on the right from my experience.

Even with the slowed down video it really does look like you just drifted a little over on 945 because you assumed you were past (which happens so damn often my standard procedure is now to tap brakes when someone passes close like this and make sure I'm behind them). But I will reserve judgement until another view can be found.

If you search NJMP Lemons Rollover there is a video posted from another trailing car.  Unfortunately my current browser is blocking YouTube so I can't post the link.  The video is from a little bit of a distance so I'm not sure how clear it will be to see contact from #47 or not.

I believe it was the seam in the track which caused a counterclockwise yaw of car number 666 which to him may have felt like he was hit. The yaw is most apparent in the first 945 front facing video in slow motion.
The contact with 945 was about a second later.
But 666 does not appear to be anywhere near the front wheel of 47 at that time.
47 appears to be closing in too early.
Seam is most visible in the rear view video @ about 0:19.

I was in the Del Sol when it happened, no video though so you'll have to deal with my recollection for what that's worth. I was trying to get around the Audi and e46 also at the time. I saw a slight hole open up but it was barely a car width and as you can see from the chasing car video it was still in the turn coming up to pit in. When I saw the 666 car go for it I moved away because it looked like the pass would go badly. It was really tight and when one car moved (fairly sure it was the 666 that moved) there wasn't a hole anymore and that's when contact happened. Again, that's just my recollection and I was pretty shocked to see it happen right off my fender.

Edit also: That 666 car also hit my front left fender around 11:45 when I started the stint. I was inside on turn 5 and pointed them by on my left and they passed me but smashed my front fender when they moved over too quickly. Not saying it was the same driver, but certainly the same car.

I agree, but I don't see hitshake in the video until 47 and 666 are out of view of the rear-facing video.

From this rear-facing camera video [ https://youtu.be/O4o2DxQJ3hk ], I see - not plenty, but enough - room for 3 abreast initially, so it seems initially 666's attempt to pass is reasonable.

And again, after they're out of view, I see the video bump from the seam in the track, and then the hitshake from the first contact [ comparing relative position in the front and rear videos ].

I see it from this front-facing video at around 1:00 [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49bU5HC … ture=share ] as:
47 turning in / drifting right too early, but is clear of 945; perhaps doesn't see 666 in between, or perhaps trying to get out of the way of 666 because there's a relative straight ahead, correct?
666 still trying to pass but running out of room [ I'd have bailed already ]
then the seam bump and 666's back end coming over for the first contact with 945 at ~1:03 of the video [timestamp 12:52:47]
then the first part of the roll
945 goes off track
then the second contact with 666

And if you compare again the rear-facing video, I see the hitshake of the first contact, 945 going off the track, and the second hitshake of the second contact, and then the rest.

Mike, I'm not making any judgement but I do want to point out that it is extremely common for our memory of how an event unfolded to not match what actually happened. There have been a huge number of times where I thought I remembered something happening on track a very specific way, only to go back to watch the video and seeing that I was only half right. I'll get details about how close I was to someone wrong, or the timing of events is wrong, or I completely missed the fact that some other car was in the mix. Hell, on the street I had a woman run a stop sign in front of me causing me to t-bone her. I swore up and down that it happened a certain way, only to go back to my dash cam and realize I had a bunch of it wrong. It was a 3-way stop where my road didn't have a stop, I initially thought I had seen her stopped at her sign and then I looked the other way to see if that car was stopping and then she pulled in front of me. I was wrong, she had never stopped at all and in fact just ran the sign completely. What you remember is very often a biased (maybe the wrong word) account based on emotional responses in the moment.

I'm not trying to say that you are in fact wrong about what happened. I was not there, and I can only see what's in the video shown so far. It's entirely possible that your account is dead on accurate. It is also possible that the Audi moved because they really didn't know you were there and you instinctually moved right as a reaction and your initial tap to the 945 is what makes you think you were hit and pushed. I honestly don't know, and my opinion doesn't really matter. Again I'm not trying to pass judgement, only share my experience with race incident memories vs reality.

Hey RSB-

Thanks for chiming in, I'm glad to hear your perspective. I just watched the video and you are correct, there was no contact. I'm glad you have the video to prove it. I swear to you that in my memory there was. Thanks for clearing this up. And Dammit, this was completely my fault.
Be well and have fun.

Hangs head in shame,
-Mike

The turn into 945 looked pretty abrupt so its possible you had a mechanical failure that caused the car to turn but not sure you can figure that out with the amount of damage that was done to the car.

The best thing you can do from this point going forward is to learn from your mistake and dial it back when/if you get back on the track. As Jay, Steve and others like to say, you can't win a race in one turn but you can surely lose it.

IIRC, there is a 1 year ban for rolling a car so you may have to deal with HQ. They may not be in the best mood considering the antics of the orange BMW this past weekend so tread lightly.