Re: Caught in a Crossfire

What is the consensus on the Pentastar V6 in Lemons?  Turns out that it will bolt to Crossfire trans, makes about 90hp more, and much cheaper and easier to find parts for.  I'm guessing there haven't been many in Lemons yet, but all the v6 charger/etc things came with them, so there will be soon if not.

Again, probably won't happen until we're tired of the stock 3.2, but it would probably be the easiest/cheapest swap.  I'd still be up for the 4.9 Caddy motor, but the Pentastar makes a pretty healthy amount of power more than it.

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27 (edited by Camper Van Someren 2022-06-10 05:13 PM)

Re: Caught in a Crossfire

I’ll just leave this over here. Sorry if I make anyone nauseous with the shaking.

https://youtu.be/uIgZIMx0Z8g

Re: Caught in a Crossfire

I remember watching that

29 (edited by egesledder 2022-06-13 07:25 AM)

Re: Caught in a Crossfire

Camper Van Someren wrote:

I’ll just leave this over here. Sorry if I make anyone nauseous with the shaking.

https://youtu.be/uIgZIMx0Z8g

Nice!  Yea, we had 3 rookie drivers cycling through it for the race, probably several of those instances.

So, question still remains, anyone with Pentastar experience in Lemons?

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Re: Caught in a Crossfire

egesledder wrote:

So, question still remains, anyone with Pentastar experience in Lemons?

Off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone who's run one in Lemons. Maybe we've had a V6 Charger or something like that I don't remember, though I think the 3 or 4 LX-platform Chryslers have all been Hemi cars (which demonstrably do NOT dominate at Lemons).

Not that you don't already know this better than anyone else, but that particular loophole is completely unexploited and most Lemons loopholes are largest for the first person to exploit them.

Fun Side Note: When I briefly had the '78 Magnum and was working for Roadkill Sponsored by Dodge(tm), I floated the idea to my editor about Dodge sending me a Pentastar V6 for Lemons duty a la Dodge sending F&F a Hellcat V8 for the General Mayhem. That idea didn't get far because Dodge killed their sponsorship of Roadkill, followed not long after by Discovery killing Roadkill's editorial arm and the Roadkill-Lemons connection by proxy to say nothing of the Magnum folding itself in half on jack stands and therefore going to the scrap heap. But the idea was actually pretty sound: 1.5 times as much horsepower and twice as many gears as a stock B-Body Magnum and less weight than a modern Charger. Probably would have gone reasonably well in a straight line, at least, if it had ever worked.

Eric Rood
Everything Bagel, 24 Hours of Lemons
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31 (edited by chaase 2022-06-13 01:14 PM)

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therood wrote:
egesledder wrote:

So, question still remains, anyone with Pentastar experience in Lemons?

Off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone who's run one in Lemons. Maybe we've had a V6 Charger or something like that I don't remember, though I think the 3 or 4 LX-platform Chryslers have all been Hemi cars (which demonstrably do NOT dominate at Lemons).

Not that you don't already know this better than anyone else, but that particular loophole is completely unexploited and most Lemons loopholes are largest for the first person to exploit them.

Wait...Manny's son drives a 6cyl magnum wagon is that subject to a loophole (not sure I want to torture myself with that vehicle)?

Or did I misunderstand the sentence.

1992 Saturn SL2 (retired) - Elmo's Revenge -  Class B winner, Heroic Fix winner x2
1969 Rover P6B 3500S(sold) - Super G-Rover - I.O.E Winner, Class C Winner
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Re: Caught in a Crossfire

chaase wrote:
therood wrote:
egesledder wrote:

So, question still remains, anyone with Pentastar experience in Lemons?

Off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone who's run one in Lemons. Maybe we've had a V6 Charger or something like that I don't remember, though I think the 3 or 4 LX-platform Chryslers have all been Hemi cars (which demonstrably do NOT dominate at Lemons).

Not that you don't already know this better than anyone else, but that particular loophole is completely unexploited and most Lemons loopholes are largest for the first person to exploit them.

Wait...Manny's son drives a 6cyl magnum wagon is that subject to a loophole (not sure I want to torture myself with that vehicle)?

Especially everything from when Dodge decided they needed to throw out their soft Neon-based image and make EVERYTHING STRAIGHT LINES FOR AMERICAN STRENGTH.

Caliber, Nitro, Avenger, Journey for sure. The Stratus and Intrepid predate that but are probably also going in Class C. I would say any V6 Magnum, Charger, or Challenger with a believable story is probably Class C material.

The only gray areas are V8 Dodges and the Dart. No idea what the hell I'd do with a Dart, but if you want one, they all seem to have migrated to Appalachia. That's where I seem to see them en masse, anyway.

Eric Rood
Everything Bagel, 24 Hours of Lemons
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33 (edited by chaase 2022-06-13 01:27 PM)

Re: Caught in a Crossfire

therood wrote:
chaase wrote:

Wait...Manny's son drives a 6cyl magnum wagon is that subject to a loophole (not sure I want to torture myself with that vehicle)?

Especially everything from when Dodge decided they needed to throw out their soft Neon-based image and make EVERYTHING STRAIGHT LINES FOR AMERICAN STRENGTH.

Caliber, Nitro, Avenger, Journey for sure. The Stratus and Intrepid predate that but are probably also going in Class C. I would say any V6 Magnum, Charger, or Challenger with a believable story is probably Class C material.

The only gray areas are V8 Dodges and the Dart. No idea what the hell I'd do with a Dart, but if you want one, they all seem to have migrated to Appalachia. That's where I seem to see them en masse, anyway.

IIRC, its a teenager driven  2.7L auto that he got used for not a lot of money because the prior owner gave up on it. I don't know if I need another Class C head ache. The Javelin is already a money pit...lol

EDIT: For the record, the 2.7L is garbage even for street use.

1992 Saturn SL2 (retired) - Elmo's Revenge -  Class B winner, Heroic Fix winner x2
1969 Rover P6B 3500S(sold) - Super G-Rover - I.O.E Winner, Class C Winner
1996 Saturn SW2 - Elmo's Revenge (reborn!), Saturn SL1  Dazzleshipm Class C winner
1974 AMC Javelin - Oscar's Trash heap - IOE,”Organizer's Choice" and "I got Screwed" award winner