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Topic: And here's your Buttonwillow Track Layout

http://www.jagpromotions.com/images/buttonwillowmap2.jpg

Just got the word from up on high. This is the "official" track layout.

Ironically, it's the exact track that the Sharks ran...

Bigger pic:
http://www.jagpromotions.com/images/but … owmap2.jpg

EDIT: Oh, and you lousy driving spazzes should probably not wipe out and kill yourselves on Friday because the option to shorten and slow the track down is in place...

ANOTHER EDIT: I should say that this layout is subject to change once we get there and run it in person. It's probably pretty close since our event manager Jeff has logged thousands of miles at the track, but you never know what might jump out when viewing the course through the eyes of the "worst-case" Lemons driver (ahem, that guy from the Sharks).--Nick

"This is the scene where I get shot," Bronson said. "I have these little squibs that explode to make it look like bullets are hitting." "Fascinating," said Bergman. "I never knew how they did that." "You mean," asked Bronson, "you don't use machine guns in your movies?"
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Re: And here's your Buttonwillow Track Layout

Wow....  Excellent!  Sunset is going to be epic

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Re: And here's your Buttonwillow Track Layout

Can you guys define "too fast?"

I'm working on getting a car together for Nelson Ledges and it's well known for being a fast track.  Just curious if I'm going to need to deal with a chicane on the back stretch.

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If you wind up on your roof, you are going "too fast."

"This is the scene where I get shot," Bronson said. "I have these little squibs that explode to make it look like bullets are hitting." "Fascinating," said Bergman. "I never knew how they did that." "You mean," asked Bronson, "you don't use machine guns in your movies?"
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Judge Jonny wrote:

If you wind up on your roof, you are going "too fast."

You heard it here first, Yugos are too fast.

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LTDScott wrote:
Judge Jonny wrote:

If you wind up on your roof, you are going "too fast."

You heard it here first, Yugos are too fast.

As are

Plymouth Belvederes...
Datsun B210's...

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Judge Jonny wrote:

http://www.jagpromotions.com/images/but … owmap2.jpg
Ironically, it's the exact track that the Sharks ran...

Nothing coincidental about that. We were hoping it would be this configuration and decided to do the matching open test days. We'll be running again on the July 11th test day as well. I plan to put my S4 out there as well.

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Toyota CoROLLas...

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FreeRange wrote:

Wow....  Excellent!  Sunset is going to be epic

It is. On the test day this weekend, even a few of the S2000s were putting it in the dirt. We got our 5,000lb Audi Allroad sideways in this turn a few times. Not a pretty sight.

It might be tempting to out brake someone here, but I don't have enough huevos to do it. Better strategy is to pass in the straight if you've got a turbo zip tied to your engine.

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SharkBait wrote:

We got our 5,000lb Audi Allroad sideways in this turn a few times. Not a pretty sight.

How's that airbag suspension like the track days?  I almost bought one of those, until I read about how expensive it was to fix the leaking bags...

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FreeRange wrote:
SharkBait wrote:

We got our 5,000lb Audi Allroad sideways in this turn a few times. Not a pretty sight.

How's that airbag suspension like the track days?  I almost bought one of those, until I read about how expensive it was to fix the leaking bags...

It's like driving a really big heavy water bed.

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SharkBait wrote:

We were hoping it would be this configuration and decided to do the matching open test days. We'll be running again on the July 11th test day as well.

What's required for the open testing days at Buttonwillow?

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Mad_Science wrote:
SharkBait wrote:

We were hoping it would be this configuration and decided to do the matching open test days. We'll be running again on the July 11th test day as well.

What's required for the open testing days at Buttonwillow?

Big, heavy water beds, apparently

"This is the scene where I get shot," Bronson said. "I have these little squibs that explode to make it look like bullets are hitting." "Fascinating," said Bergman. "I never knew how they did that." "You mean," asked Bronson, "you don't use machine guns in your movies?"
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Any idea of the track length for the proposed track?

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This wil be an epically fast configuration.  I'm actually quite surprised.  Without chicanes there are several points where even the typical beater will be hauling the mail.

This is about 2.8 miles IIRC.

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so where do us non-driving folks flock to?

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jerjozwik wrote:

so where do us non-driving folks flock to?

Behind a tall concrete wall. You won't see much but you'll be safe! Actually, you can get very close to the straight before Sunset corner. You'll see plenty of action there and the trees will shade you from the roasting sun. There's nothing but a chain link fence between you and the track so maybe not the best place for taking an afternoon nap.

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SharkBait wrote:

Behind a tall concrete wall. You won't see much but you'll be safe! Actually, you can get very close to the straight before Sunset corner. You'll see plenty of action there and the trees will shade you from the roasting sun. There's nothing but a chain link fence between you and the track so maybe not the best place for taking an afternoon nap.

chain link fence sounds better then rally style spectating!

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Mad_Science wrote:
SharkBait wrote:

We were hoping it would be this configuration and decided to do the matching open test days. We'll be running again on the July 11th test day as well.

What's required for the open testing days at Buttonwillow?

You got to check with who is doing the track day .Some people/most people  are scared of Lemons .
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Most guys don't want  pictures of there car in action with a green car with the grinch on the roof  in the background!!

Best thing to do if you can get a ride with an A or B driver its awesome.

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This is a great layout!

Lost hill is a tricky bitch, though, and a bunch of green drivers are going to get it wrong. If you apex early (ie. where it looks like you need to apex, since the hill is blind), you end up going off the track on the far side. Hell, the first time I rode around Buttonwillow was with John Morton driving (his first time going clockwise) and HE fucked it up and ran off the track.

The Zorro corners are narrow and tight to the point of hopeless suckage (coming from a Miata driver, that means they REALLY suck).

I would STRONGLY recommend a guiding cones that force people onto the correct line here. Something similar to what we ran at Reno at the bottom of the hill would work fine.

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not exactly Lemons like, but crazy looking buttonwillow race
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzzjdIWyPAY

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Looks like the same configuration, but opposite direction from ours...

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OH! We get to run Riverside/taladega! I better put a wing on the jag and a cardboard splitter.

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Eyesoreracing wrote:

This is a great layout!

Lost hill is a tricky bitch, though, and a bunch of green drivers are going to get it wrong. If you apex early (ie. where it looks like you need to apex, since the hill is blind), you end up going off the track on the far side. Hell, the first time I rode around Buttonwillow was with John Morton driving (his first time going clockwise) and HE fucked it up and ran off the track.

I thought the same thing about #3 at Thunderhill and the downhill at RFR but for the most part I was wrong (well except for two of my drivers looping it at #3!).

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Re: And here's your Buttonwillow Track Layout

If you have a car with four wheels and an engine, you can drive in the open test days at Buttonwillow. Obviously dumping, oil, fuel, coolant, etc is verbotten and you need a helmet. Next one is June 26th but the July 11th day is the same configuration as Lemons.

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