When are we going to get a Slant Six E30? (Page 2 of 3)

Fixed that for you. 3 motors is three times as reliable, right?

Sorry Speedycop, but I have to disagree with you. I get the E30 hate, but there's room enough in the series for the nutjobs like you who run ridiculous cars, AND for the backyard wrenchers who want to race but can't afford SCCA/NASA/etc. or don't want to take it so seriously. This was Jay's original idea for the series.

Back in '07 when I started running Lemons, I realized there were two schools of thought on car selection: pick something nutty that will be a ton of fun to see at the track but won't be competitive, or pick something that you can actually race. Given the fact that everyone on my team is a speed junkie and wanted to race instead of just cruise around the track, we chose option two.

We're all decent wrenchers, but none of us are fabricators. We wanted to race, but we didn't have the money, skill, or equipment to be competitive in other series. Our only way into this world was to pick a car that was relatively easy to get parts for and had a bolt-in cage available, because we were putting the car together in my friend's garage in Navy housing. There were *FOUR* E30s in the previous race, so at the time Lemons wasn't flooded with them, and it seemed like a good choice. Even with decent handling out of the box, I don't think anyone would call our 122hp 4500rpm redline engine "sporty." But we realized our car was rather pedestrian, so we put a ton of work into the theme and the praise and trophies we have received for it shows that our work has been well liked.

So while I wholeheartedly salute people like you and Spank who bring insane cars/swaps out and love seeing them on the track, I don't think it's reason to exclude the people who don't have the resources available to take on ridiculous projects, and instead work hard to just have their regular crap can our there, provided they make an effort to stand out and theme things in the spirit of the event. Hating on those people is elitism.

I agree with this when it comes to any "common" car (aka Civic, RX7, Prelude, Miata, Corolla, etc). If you just spray paint a number on your otherwise stock car, you're doing it wrong.

I'm just saying that there are plenty of E30 teams (mine, B-Team, E30chero, etc) who don't deserve the hate simply because it's an E30.

2.93 to 4.10 depending on model

That sounds like an awfully tall tire on an E30. We're running 195/60/14s.

We did the crazy car last year with the 94 seville and we got 34 laps out of it.  Spent a ton of time to make it work and it just sucked.

This year we went with an old ethiopian diplomats e30 87 convertible (long story, got for free) simply because we want to last more than 34 laps and a convertible is bad ass.

So, I'm a nutjob AND an elitist? Tell me how you really feel!

I'm not the only one saying it, in case you missed Phil's eleventy billion posts on the subject. Race after race that I've been in has come down to a pair of E30's (CMP, NOLA). They are great cars, and make great race cars. I understand why teams want to run them. My point is there are far more interesting options, and E30's have been like friggin rabbits lately, multiplying throughout the series. It won't surprise me when E30's start getting denied frequently for booked-up races, in favor of more interesting cars. It's probably happened already. Not every E30 is cheaty. Some improve legitimately over time, like my Lincoln. Some are themed really well (Prickstine comes to mind). But saying all you can work on or compete reliably with is an E30 is untrue.

I'm not a welder. I'm not a fabricator. I'm not an engineer. I'm not even a mechanic. I've had ZERO training in any of those things. Yet I managed to figure all of them out as I went, because I needed to. If I can do it, anyone can. I was under a future Lemons car all this evening, outside, in the dark and freezing cold. Fun? No. Necessary? Yes, if I want to keep bring cool new rides to races. This will be the first car that I haven't done the lion's share of the build work on. Resources? The Caddy and Lincoln were built with jackstands and hand tools, on a gravel driveway. Same stuff EVERY Lemons team has. Only ths year did I get a 4' lift and a concrete pad to work on.

There's a reason IOE is the top prize, and winning the race is second. If your E30 hasn't brought you either one, try building something completely different. I can hate E30's all day long, and it doesn't make me an elitist. Saying I'm tired of their domination is merely a call for people to win with something different. You don't have to agree, or even like it. But, if one prospective team reads that and decides to build something cooler as a result, my work here is done.

What anger? I merely expressed my opinion. And I agree 100% with what you just said about Lemons having something for each of those groups. If I wanted to be popular, I'd keep my opinions to myself. That simply doesn't matter to me. I'd rather encourage teams to build what I find are more interesting cars. It's really not about what I find interesting, or want to see, though, is it? It's about each individual team, and what they want.

Think of it like a TV commercial by a politician. He or she will tell you why they are more right than their opponent. It doesn't make them more right, it just lets you know where they stand, and you make your own informed decision.

BANHAMMER THE ELITIST NUTJOB!!!!!!!!1!11! :rofl:

I'll get the admins right on that ban....oh wait a minute...whats that say under my username...

I think it says....suck it banhammer 

Not even close to working on the Buick. I'm on DC Doug's sweet new IOE car right now with him. It's a TPB car, but he bought it, not me, and he's been slaving daily on it for weeks. Should debut at Feb CMP.

Yeah, you and I need to collaborate on something. Given tonight's discussion, methinks a twin-engined E30 would do nicely. Wartburg motor in front, and I've got something killer for the rear...

I wanted it BADLY. I went so far as to pick up the phone and pull up the thread on here to get the number when I saw your post about it being sold. I could have run Dave's Chevelle to NJ and picked up the Nash...