Topic: Joliet Prison Break post race thread

No one has started a post race thread yet, so I will.

Fireball Racing's yellow escort got an awful flag drop.  We led the pack out on to the track for the parade laps and ended up in 51st after the Green was thrown. 

With three Lemons rookies we had a challenge in front of us for sure, but the rookies came through with flying colors.  Unfortunately, a few of those colors were black.

Even with 5 black flags and an unintentional pit stop, we climbed up the standings from 51st overall and 24th in class B to finish at 28th overall and 8th in class B.

More importantly, nothing blew up, broke or started on fire.  All the rain kept the tire and brake wear down so we probably have enough left for another entire race, which is rare for the escort.

It was great to see Team Sheen win again and I learned a lesson about rain tires in crappy weather.  Sheen and the Red BMW (Rod Throwin' Fools, I think) were flying around the track in a way that was impressive.  They had so much more grip than everyone else. 

Questions I'm left with:
1. What engine was in that silver and blue VW Rabbit.  It was LOUD and FAST.  If I beat it through a corner, it just left me standing there under acceleration.  It was impressive.
2. What happened to the guys in the Surfboard Mustang (500 or 505, I think).  They spun right next to me and hit the armco on the front straight.  It looked pretty bad as I watched it happen and the mud on the track suggested a pretty hard hit.  But, when I came around again, they were off the track.  Did anyone get hurt?  Is the car salvageable?
3.  Hows the guy in the Black BMW that hit the front straight armco early in the race?

Fireball Racing - ‘67 Ford Fairlane and ‘73 Saab Sonett

I've lost a lot, but the Fairlane finally won an IoE.

Re: Joliet Prison Break post race thread

Good to see you back Chad and I hope your newbies had a good time and will be back as well.

Apocalyptic Racing - Occupy Pit Lane racing
Racing the "Toylet" Toyota Celica powered by Chevrolet Ecotec.
24x Loser with the Celica. 16x loser in other fine machines
Overall winner Gingerman 2019

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1. It's a VR6 in the Rabbit because "They were tired of being passed by the minivan."
2. The driver had to check with EMTs per track rules and was fine. The Mustang didn't flag out and was fine to race again, but it was proving too difficult to drive in the conditions, so they parked it and went home.
3. He checked out ok.

Eric Rood
Everything Bagel, 24 Hours of Lemons
eric@24hoursoflemons.com

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We resemble that remark...but more than likely one of my better drivers still passed him in the wet at some point piloting the Dustbuster/Nushen.

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chadadams59 wrote:

...and I learned a lesson about rain tires in crappy weather...


Care to share your lesson with the rest of the class?

We Audi Be Faster
'85 Audi Coupe G(in &) T(onic)

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RSB wrote:
chadadams59 wrote:

...and I learned a lesson about rain tires in crappy weather...


Care to share your lesson with the rest of the class?

I assume it’s somewhere between never lift and stay the heck off the racing line.

Apocalyptic Racing - Occupy Pit Lane racing
Racing the "Toylet" Toyota Celica powered by Chevrolet Ecotec.
24x Loser with the Celica. 16x loser in other fine machines
Overall winner Gingerman 2019

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RSB wrote:
chadadams59 wrote:

...and I learned a lesson about rain tires in crappy weather...


Care to share your lesson with the rest of the class?

apparently Continental DW are the bees knees (not DWS)

"THE WONDERMENT CONSORTIUM"
Everything dies baby that's a fact,
But maybe everything that dies someday comes back?

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I run those on my street car and they run great in the wet.

Mistake By The Lake Racing (MBTL)
88 Thunderbird "THUNDERBIRDS ARE GO!", Ex Astris, Rubigo / Semper Fracti
A&D: 2014 Sebrings at Sebring (NSF), 2014 NJMP2 Jurassic Park (SpeedyCop), 2012 Summit Point J30 (PiNuts)
2018 Route Sucky-Suck Rally Miata, 2019 World Tour Of Texas 64 Newport

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Bad Decisions had a fun weekend with some mixed results.  With two newbies driving, a totally untested car that which was one of two, we knew we were not in contention for anything.

Dustbuster ran great with no mechanical issues and easily could have been a contender for class C had we run our 3+ hour stints.  It is still awesome in the wet.  Each newbie got a black flag in it...one for getting hit (not an f-body this time) and the other for spinning it.  No damage thanks to GM's amazing plastic panels now covered in at least 8 coats of latex paint.

Reborn 1947 Plymouth was a blast to drive!  All things must now be supercharged!  Despite maybe 5 miles on it since its transformation, almost everything was set up well.  Turn-in was good, held the line,brakes were strong if high effort and engine ran almost flawlessly (igniter unit went bad on lap one).  Needs a few things but mainly a better shakedown in the dry.  Sadly it was parked most of Sunday because of visibility issues (wipers stopped working and no defrost).

The Potluck went OK though unlike the last three only about a third of the food showed up on time.  It got there and got eaten in the end plus folks seemed to have fun.  Yokohama boys were happy enough they gave us one of the tire vouchers and I certainly think they got the personal interaction with the teams they were hoping for.

Always great to see old friends and make new ones.  Now if we could get a race with nice enough nice weather to socialize all three evenings I would be over the moon.

Chad, great to have you back as the last few years of racing I have had excess beer at the end of the weekend without you there to drink it for me.

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I can’t say I’m sad we missed this race.   Congrats to all the “winners”. 

LemonAid - Changing kids lives one lap at a time.

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Same, I’ve had it with this existential abuse we call “Weather” in this part of the country.

Mistake By The Lake Racing (MBTL)
88 Thunderbird "THUNDERBIRDS ARE GO!", Ex Astris, Rubigo / Semper Fracti
A&D: 2014 Sebrings at Sebring (NSF), 2014 NJMP2 Jurassic Park (SpeedyCop), 2012 Summit Point J30 (PiNuts)
2018 Route Sucky-Suck Rally Miata, 2019 World Tour Of Texas 64 Newport

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MetSHO's race writeup starts here at post #617 - About halfway down page 31
https://www.ziptied.com/forum/index.php … 27/page-31

TL:DR - we started the race with a blown headgasket and a bottle of bars leak.  We climbed into P1, but our rain pace and frequent need for fuel wouldnt hold us there. Sunday we suffered from a black flag and some ignition breakup, greatly slowing the car.  Finished P5 - our best race yet!

https://imgur.com/NmfHzjh.jpg

https://imgur.com/RXt25mE.jpg


Hats off to the winners, especially Team Sheen for pulling off another one.  We had a blast racing against yall and hope to see everyone again next time.

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http://www.roadkill.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/From_PHil3.jpg

WHY THIS RACE GOTTA BE SO COLD (Lots of great stuff again. Fun if weren't so damned cold)

Eric Rood
Everything Bagel, 24 Hours of Lemons
eric@24hoursoflemons.com

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Brett85p wrote:

Good to see you back Chad and I hope your newbies had a good time and will be back as well.

Thanks, Brett.  It's really good to be back.  It was a crappy couple of years. 

My rookies will be back with me in June!

Fireball Racing - ‘67 Ford Fairlane and ‘73 Saab Sonett

I've lost a lot, but the Fairlane finally won an IoE.

Re: Joliet Prison Break post race thread

derekste wrote:
RSB wrote:
chadadams59 wrote:

...and I learned a lesson about rain tires in crappy weather...


Care to share your lesson with the rest of the class?

apparently Continental DW are the bees knees (not DWS)


^^This^^

Rain tires are the secret.  Lesson learned.

Fireball Racing - ‘67 Ford Fairlane and ‘73 Saab Sonett

I've lost a lot, but the Fairlane finally won an IoE.

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OnkelUdo wrote:

Chad, great to have you back as the last few years of racing I have had excess beer at the end of the weekend without you there to drink it for me.

I understand your pain.  I will drink more of it from now on.

Fireball Racing - ‘67 Ford Fairlane and ‘73 Saab Sonett

I've lost a lot, but the Fairlane finally won an IoE.

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I brought 5 rookie drivers to Joliet to pilot the #501 Dropped Packets Integra, and other than one black flag for passing under yellow - the rookies all had a great time, kept the car in one piece and didn't break anyone else.   Success!   We took off early on Sunday, as we had a 16 hour drive back to Nebraska and everyone got a chance to drive and wants to come back again.   We will see you again at the BFE GP!

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Terribly Awesome racing had a blast "racing" with y'all, despite the weather. We had three Lemons rookies (possibly racing rookies in general) and one guy who's only done one race before, so I apologize if we got in anyone's way. Despite my best efforts at not prepping the car fully before the race, (turns out having single digit weather up til the week before the race really hampers my ambition to crawl under hoopties) the car preformed far better than it aught to have.

We spent  Friday wiring in a push button start, since the electrical system decided to randomly act up, and install a "new" driver's side hub and spindle to replace our messed up one. Saturday went fairly well, apart from one of the rookies entering the track through track exit (apparently a "Do not enter" sign and a bunch of cars leaving the track weren't enough of a warning) and another getting a flag for going two off.

This driver also returned to the pits complaining about the transmission lurching and having difficulty finding second. A quick lap around the paddock verified that the shifter was indeed flopping about wildly. Turns out our bump starting the car (due to the wacked out electrics) had ripped the rear motor mount off the engine, breaking off part of the block in the process. The mount also snagged the driver's side axle, pulling off the CV boot and covering everything in axle grease. It was rather miserable crawling under the car in the rain soaked grass with the wind blowing right up your crotch to repair it. Luckily, Hyundai saw fit to put two bolt holes on the engine, so we were able to bolt the mount back on. Granted, had both bolts been attached in the first it probably would have held together, but whatever. The car finished the day without any more issues and we celebrated with steaks.

We awoke Sunday to high 30's and pouring rain, so we readied the Excel by dumping half a quart of oil into the engine and swapping the tires front to back. Sunday went really well for us, with only one two off blag flag being the only issue. It was kind of an odd feeling watching all our paddock neighbors pack up and leave while our clunker kept chugging out laps. Turns out that random junkyard motor was lots of life in it.

I drew up the last stint of the race, and I got to say it was probably the most fun I've had at Autobahn in five years. I started out taking it pretty easy, but once I realized that the other cars were having a hard time getting past, I turned up the wick a little. We still got murdered on the straights, but there were rather few cars we couldn't keep up with, or even pass, in the corners. Apparently it was pretty slick out, but I seemed unfazed. Apart from turn one and eight, I seemed to have no issue finding grip. I guess running 300 treadwear Nittos will do that. If anything, the Excel is a little tame. There were a few times I wished it had a little more oversteer to better rotate around the corners. The front end always seemed to break away first. Turn Four was particularly fun. If there wasn't traffic, you could brake in late and pitch it into a little four wheel drift. You'd hit that patch of new asphalt which would straighten it out then just bury the go pedal to pull yourself to the outside and line you up for five. It was brilliant.

I want to say thanks to Chuck, Matt, Scott, and Zach for joining the team, OncleUdo and the Yokohama guys for the potluck on Friday, and all the track crew and corner workers for braving the elements all weekend so we could goof off.

Fourteen time loser. You'd think I'd know better by now.

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Maverick74 wrote:

This driver also returned to the pits complaining about the transmission lurching and having difficulty finding second. A quick lap around the paddock verified that the shifter was indeed flopping about wildly. Turns out our bump starting the car (due to the wacked out electrics) had ripped the rear motor mount off the engine, breaking off part of the block in the process. The mount also snagged the driver's side axle, pulling off the CV boot and covering everything in axle grease. It was rather miserable crawling under the car in the rain soaked grass with the wind blowing right up your crotch to repair it. Luckily, Hyundai saw fit to put two bolt holes on the engine, so we were able to bolt the mount back on. Granted, had both bolts been attached in the first it probably would have held together, but whatever. The car finished the day without any more issues and we celebrated with steaks.

You might find one of the comments on this post interesting, if you have access to a TIG welder and someone who can use it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledinto … tall_yeah/

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Our #32 car felt and ran great. Until it didn't. Saturday night we swapped out motors not knowing that the trans took some damage when the unwanted motor internals phenomenon occurred. A valve bent that sent a shock wave all the way down into 2nd gear. After we stripped all the teeth off 2nd gear we felt it was just necessary to strip off 3rd too. 3rd wasn't as fun as 2nd so we got our bus and other vehicles stuck in the mud and left. The Lull operator was kind enough to help us load test our new trailer hitch on the bus too. That guy had a surprisingly great attitude even after watching someone he just yanked out of the mud drive right back into it so he could pull them out again! What a good sport!  LOL all in all it was a great weekend. Plus this is an awesome shot of us and car #70!!  Thats a sexy little car. https://24hoursoflemons.smugmug.com/Rac … -9gG82mS/A

What could possibly go wrong at Gingerman in June? We promise not to setup camp in the storm drainage runoff this time. neutral

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I recently acquired the former #81 Punisher Caprice, now the #54 Caprice. This was my 2nd LeMon's race, first time as the car owner. My buddy Don and I both drove the car at CMP last fall, and brought 3 rookie drivers with us. Don, myself, and 2 of the  rookies have many hours of HPDE and autocross experience in Caprices/and Impalas. The 5th driver is new to everything, his previous 4-wheel experience is racing quads.

Some of the more veteran participants may recognize the car, it's been running Lemons since 2008 or 09, and took a 4-5 year hiatus until CMP last fall.

We acquired the car in early March, and tended to some of the things that needed tending. New ring&pinion, updated diff cooler, new front spindle, corrected the 7/16" toe out, new belts, and some engine electrical issues.

We clearly need more prep. First full green lap of the race had the engine dead turning into 8, started to coast into 9. That's when the cockpit got really smokey, sparks shooting through the not-so-sealed firewall, and I decided I should probably not stay in the car. I accepted the eventual penalty. It took us 2 hours to get back to the paddock, get some new battery leads, route it better to the main cutoff, and get back on track.

I had a great stint in the car around hour 3-4 putting in about 27 laps, started to turn mid-high 1:50's laps as the track started to dry out. I was having a blast racing one of the Group A SHO's and I think an MR2. The MR2 and I were both barreling down the shoot between 7 and 8, he went inside to get around some slow traffic, so I went outside to do the same. I quickly found out that side of the track was not nearly as dry as I thought, and the slower traffic was hella-slower, so I decided to hit the turf between 8 and 9. I ended up about 20-30' off track, and was able to get back on, and head to the penalty box. I was informed that this was my 3rd black flag, and I tried to assure them that it was my 2nd, but the judges know best.

The next driver went out and only had a few laps in before the full course yellow. After the green, he ran into similar issues as me in 8 and went off. The judges parked us for 1 hour.

Driver 3 went out and had a great hour, but spun between 5 and 6, staying on track. That last penalty parked us for the day, around 3pm. All in all, I think we had 2.5 hours on track.. bummer.

Instead of listening to my gut, and figuring out how to get the heater box working in the car (still has a full dash), we covered the car, packed up the tools and called it O'beer:30

Sunday, we went out with the pack, and came in totally fogged up. 2 hours later, after a trip to the parts store, the heater box was blowing warm air on the windshield, and we ran the rest of the day untroubled. We had 2 more spins in the wet, one assisted by an ass slap to our right 1/4 panel, but other than that, we ran within 5 mins of the checker.

So, not great, not any more time on track. We didn't stay up until 2 AM changing out cylinder heads and a transmission like we did at CMP last fall, but silly minor issues still caught us out.

Look forward to hitting a couple more events this year. We have some drop throttle oversteer issues, and have some ideas to get more understeer in the car for wet laps. I'll be whittling away at the car with the plasma torch as well.

Mike
#54 KDS-Performance/Punisher Racing 1996 Caprice
2Tun Za-fun!

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RunswithScissors wrote:

I recently acquired the former #81 Punisher Caprice, now the #54 Caprice. This was my 2nd LeMon's race, first time as the car owner. My buddy Don and I both drove the car at CMP last fall, and brought 3 rookie drivers with us. Don, myself, and 2 of the  rookies have many hours of HPDE and autocross experience in Caprices/and Impalas. The 5th driver is new to everything, his previous 4-wheel experience is racing quads.

Some of the more veteran participants may recognize the car, it's been running Lemons since 2008 or 09, and took a 4-5 year hiatus until CMP last fall.

We acquired the car in early March, and tended to some of the things that needed tending. New ring&pinion, updated diff cooler, new front spindle, corrected the 7/16" toe out, new belts, and some engine electrical issues.

We clearly need more prep. First full green lap of the race had the engine dead turning into 8, started to coast into 9. That's when the cockpit got really smokey, sparks shooting through the not-so-sealed firewall, and I decided I should probably not stay in the car. I accepted the eventual penalty. It took us 2 hours to get back to the paddock, get some new battery leads, route it better to the main cutoff, and get back on track.

I had a great stint in the car around hour 3-4 putting in about 27 laps, started to turn mid-high 1:50's laps as the track started to dry out. I was having a blast racing one of the Group A SHO's and I think an MR2. The MR2 and I were both barreling down the shoot between 7 and 8, he went inside to get around some slow traffic, so I went outside to do the same. I quickly found out that side of the track was not nearly as dry as I thought, and the slower traffic was hella-slower, so I decided to hit the turf between 8 and 9. I ended up about 20-30' off track, and was able to get back on, and head to the penalty box. I was informed that this was my 3rd black flag, and I tried to assure them that it was my 2nd, but the judges know best.

The next driver went out and only had a few laps in before the full course yellow. After the green, he ran into similar issues as me in 8 and went off. The judges parked us for 1 hour.

Driver 3 went out and had a great hour, but spun between 5 and 6, staying on track. That last penalty parked us for the day, around 3pm. All in all, I think we had 2.5 hours on track.. bummer.

Instead of listening to my gut, and figuring out how to get the heater box working in the car (still has a full dash), we covered the car, packed up the tools and called it O'beer:30

Sunday, we went out with the pack, and came in totally fogged up. 2 hours later, after a trip to the parts store, the heater box was blowing warm air on the windshield, and we ran the rest of the day untroubled. We had 2 more spins in the wet, one assisted by an ass slap to our right 1/4 panel, but other than that, we ran within 5 mins of the checker.

So, not great, not any more time on track. We didn't stay up until 2 AM changing out cylinder heads and a transmission like we did at CMP last fall, but silly minor issues still caught us out.

Look forward to hitting a couple more events this year. We have some drop throttle oversteer issues, and have some ideas to get more understeer in the car for wet laps. I'll be whittling away at the car with the plasma torch as well.

Didn't realize this car had changed hands, but I remember the car from my first race in 2010. Good to see old hoopties get new life.

Eric Rood
Everything Bagel, 24 Hours of Lemons
eric@24hoursoflemons.com

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therood wrote:

Didn't realize this car had changed hands, but I remember the car from my first race in 2010. Good to see old hoopties get new life.

Yes, Jose and I have been chatting about the car for several years. Cunning as he is, he invited myself and another friend down to CMP to run the car last fall. After months of make vs buy discussions, we decided to follow the racer's credo and not build our first race car. The car is a tired and overweight, but TLC is relatively cheap, and so is the plasma torch big_smile

If we can only stop people from slapping it's fat ass around on track...

Mike
#54 KDS-Performance/Punisher Racing 1996 Caprice
2Tun Za-fun!

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SpaceFrank wrote:
Maverick74 wrote:

This driver also returned to the pits complaining about the transmission lurching and having difficulty finding second. A quick lap around the paddock verified that the shifter was indeed flopping about wildly. Turns out our bump starting the car (due to the wacked out electrics) had ripped the rear motor mount off the engine, breaking off part of the block in the process. The mount also snagged the driver's side axle, pulling off the CV boot and covering everything in axle grease. It was rather miserable crawling under the car in the rain soaked grass with the wind blowing right up your crotch to repair it. Luckily, Hyundai saw fit to put two bolt holes on the engine, so we were able to bolt the mount back on. Granted, had both bolts been attached in the first it probably would have held together, but whatever. The car finished the day without any more issues and we celebrated with steaks.

You might find one of the comments on this post interesting, if you have access to a TIG welder and someone who can use it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledinto … tall_yeah/

didn't read your link, but you can also use an acetylene torch and brazing rods to accomplish the same thing in a more analog way. we did this at Barber one year. it totally worked.

"THE WONDERMENT CONSORTIUM"
Everything dies baby that's a fact,
But maybe everything that dies someday comes back?