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I'm shopping my tire/wheel pkg now. How many tires do you guys use in a race? I'm thinking 2 full sets maybe 3 sets of ready to go tires.
If ya'll are doing the 24 hour in November at MSR, at least 2 full. That is what we are going with
A new daytona team? I hope you're ready for misery.
Our Daytona used to get through 2 races on a set of tires. Primarily used star specs in 205/50-16. That's for normal 2 day 14.5 hour events, not a full 24 however.
If you want a data dump on how we finally got some reliability with our car shoot me a message.
You definitely don't need three sets.
For your first race, you don't even need two because you'll be in the pits so much (not joking).
Typically, one set of tires is enough for a race unless it's a particularly abrasive track or abusive car. Having a second set on hand is a good idea just in case.
It depends on how you drive. We'll be starting race #3 on the same set of tires this month. I try to have six decent tires when I go to a race.
It depends on how you drive. We'll be starting race #3 on the same set of tires this month. I try to have six decent tires when I go to a race.
Which brand/model tires?
205/55-R16 Hankook Ventus R-S4 on a 1981 Mercedes 300D. We did have them heat-cycled by Tire Rack when we ordered them, which seems to help. But we also don't overcook it into turns and scrub them, and we back off when we feel them starting to get hot, so we try to take care of them.
There is a bit of outside edge wear, probably from underinflation (it's a much heavier car than we are used to, so I think that we go a little low on tire pressure sometimes, especially in front), so I'll be flipping all of them on their rims before the CMP race this month.
We buy four new tires for every race. We put a new pair of the front (FWD) for each day and run used ones in the rear. We've tried many brands, but we currently like the Hankook RS4s a lot.
Your wear rate depends on the car, track, and drivers. At RA and Barber, we could run the whole race on the same tires, but at CMP, we're on the cords at the end of day one.
As always, YMMV.
A new daytona team? I hope you're ready for misery.
And an '85, with the old electronics. Don't worry about tires and find a new distributor, HEP, TPS, Logic Module and Power Module.
Then go over that 33 year old wire harness and find all the corroded wires and bad connections
Yea, I gave them a data dumb through email and talked about a few of the electronic issues we had. Thankfully our '89 had the combined single module ECU, so one less thing to worry about. that stupid HEP though. We spent ages narrowing a stumbling problem down to that stupid metal signal ring starting to come loose and sending garbage data to the ECU.
Given your excellent choice of car I suggest bringing 4 wheels and tires and consider it a massive victory if you get to the point where you need to replace a worn out tire.
Hey OP,
You should drive up to Wisconsin and buy my Shadow. The chassis is shot, but has a fresh 2.2 turbo motor with the much better '86 electronics. I have a bunch of spares, custom 12.5" front brakes, the better 91+ k-frame, A arms and steering knuckles. Basically everything your Daytona needs to not suck. All yours for $500
Id be interested in the custom 12.5" brakes....but dont need the rest of the car.
Id be interested in the custom 12.5" brakes....but dont need the rest of the car.
You will.... about halfway through your first race.
Safety3rdRacing wrote:Id be interested in the custom 12.5" brakes....but dont need the rest of the car.
You will.... about halfway through your first race.
Where's that damn 'like' button....
Safety3rdRacing wrote:Id be interested in the custom 12.5" brakes....but dont need the rest of the car.
You will.... about halfway through your first race.
This man speaks the truth. I'd take all that stuff if I were you. Spares are your friend with the daytona.
car came with lots of spare parts. I researched the car prior to buying it and found a local Shelby dodge owners club. 2 of my teammates are current turbo dodge owners, 7 cars between them not including their kiddos cars. Even 2 of the rare lotus head dohc 93 R/T cars. We have plenty of spare parts.
Wiring is a nightmare though on this car.
Follow our team FB page to keep up with the build. Link is in my signature.
The major turbo dodge forums seemed confused that mine was so unreliable and broke so often. Fan clubs often have a higher opinion of platforms than reality. They were also unable to help me diagnose issues on a number of occasions. It was weird.
But at least you have plenty of team member cars to cannibalize when something goes wrong.
We buy four new tires for every race. We put a new pair of the front (FWD) for each day and run used ones in the rear. We've tried many brands, but we currently like the Hankook RS4s a lot.
Your wear rate depends on the car, track, and drivers. At RA and Barber, we could run the whole race on the same tires, but at CMP, we're on the cords at the end of day one.
As always, YMMV.
We buy 4 new tires every race for a heavy RWD car (95 tbird). I try to buy them on a deal and spend maybe $450-500 on the set.
For the first race, my 4 spare wheels will have whatever non-rotten tires I have that are lemons-legal.
For the second race, my used tires from the first race become spares and I'll sell off my original spares. I can usually get $10-15 for any crappy tire if they hold air.
For every race after that, the old spares get sold off and I can usually get more (maybe $100/set) if they are decent tires (like Star Specs) with 40-50% life left. This will cover my tire mounting costs and a pizza.
FWIW, we've never worn tires down to cords. The one time we had a tire with severe chunking, I still sold the set of Toyo Proxes for $80.
-g
Mu rotation on the fox bird is new > spare > Street “testing” by then not much left to sell. Because at each stage we lose 1-2 tires.
We like to plan a weekend with 4 new and 2 prime used tires.
And then there are blowed up races where you just run all the stuff that only saw like an hour of track time.
Along the same topic. Should we just bringthe tires on rims ? Or is there a tire mounting ability ?
Along the same topic. Should we just bringthe tires on rims ? Or is there a tire mounting ability ?
Not typically and not historically. It was your obligation to bring tires/wheels ready to go. If you need tires mounted during a race, some tracks may have equipment but typically you have to go to town.
With that said, with Lemons new partnership with Yokohama, some specific events will have a full service tire mounting truck available for free usage.
Thanks. Appreciate the reply. Tires on rims it is.
May I know what tires did you use for the race? Anyone here who used Toyo Proxes or Nitto tires? Is it true that Toyo R888 and Nitto NT01 have the same compound?
May I know what tires did you use for the race? Anyone here who used Toyo Proxes or Nitto tires? Is it true that Toyo R888 and Nitto NT01 have the same compound?
Both of those tires are 100 TW and not Lemons legal. That said, most people seem to run Dunlop Direzza Star Specs, Falken Azenis, Bridgestone Potenza RE-71Rs, Hankook RS4s, and now Yokohama Advan Neova AD08Rs. I might be missing some, but those are the big names that I hear.
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