Topic: Q: What's a good material to protect sensor wires in an engine bay?

Hi:
I'm taking a break from Lemons and building up a UTV to race in the Mexican 1000. I figured lots of you have build experience so you might be able to recommend something for me here

- I'm need to run a few sensor & radio wires down the central driveshaft/shifter console area of my UTV (a Wildcat XX). Unlike a car where there is a metal cover, there's just a plastic arm rest console that goes between the dashboard area and the rear engine bay and covers the driveshaft that goes forward to the front diff.
- Currently, we have the radio wires (which go from the dashboard mounted radio back towards behind the driver/codriver seats for the intercom) as well as three sensor wires (oil temp, coolant temp, and belt IR temp) that need to go from the engine bay to the gauges.
- All of these wires are currently just ziptied to underside of the plastic arm rest/shifter console so they don't drop down and hit the driveshaft.

- For similar applications in my Lemons car, I just used the plastic split wire loom/conduit stuff all IT monkeys love for cable organization.

Since we are planning to race in Baja, we'd like to give them more protection than that.

Q: What would you folks recommend?
- A 1" exhaust tube would be more than enough but that would add weight I'd rather not put in the vehicle.
- Would you think a 1" coolant hose be a good tradeoff between weight and protection from the errant rock?

Please LMK what you might suggest.
Thanks,
-g

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Re: Q: What's a good material to protect sensor wires in an engine bay?

It's not the cheapest, but try searching for "high temp silicone wire sleeve".  The stuff on Grainger is available in several sizes starting at 0.500" ID and is supposedly good to 500 deg F.

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Re: Q: What's a good material to protect sensor wires in an engine bay?

What about 1/2" EMT?  It's cheap and relatively lightweight.

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Re: Q: What's a good material to protect sensor wires in an engine bay?

VKZ24 wrote:

What about 1/2" EMT?  It's cheap and relatively lightweight.

What's EMT? Ahh, Electric Mettalic Tube aka conduit.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/1-2-in-x-10 … /100400405


We might check that out.
I also found this product last night. Says its itchy but good for 1200F (allegedly).
https://www.amazon.com/Hiwow-Sleeve-Fib … 075M7H891/

-g

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Re: Q: What's a good material to protect sensor wires in an engine bay?

We had 2 different incidents where the 12V from the kill switch to the car (fuse box and starter) intermittently shorted out (for various reasons). Since then, we enclosed all 12V wires that are not fused within heater hose:

https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/b/fi … 31/4322518

Its temperature rating is only 257 Deg F, so its not as good as the silicone hose, but its only $1.50/foot as compared to $5/foot for the silicone. Its firm enough that it won't crush when zip-tied, and it therefore won't put any stress on the electrical conductors.

What I like about the heater hose is that it adds dielectric withstand against shorting, and its very easy to route along a twisty path. Steel EMT would obviously would not have any temperature issues, but doesn't offer any short circuit protection if the conductors became exposed. Plus routing the EMT is more involved relative to any bends required. I got the red color so its easy for everyone to identify which hose has the wiring inside.

You can also buy non-metallic electrical conduit, but its only good for about 140 Deg F. If you are not worried about high temp capability, this stuff is pretty cheap:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/AFC-Cable-S … /202286718

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Re: Q: What's a good material to protect sensor wires in an engine bay?

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7 (edited by Anarchyjet 2018-10-03 09:29 AM)

Re: Q: What's a good material to protect sensor wires in an engine bay?

What is the failure mode you are trying to protect against? 
Impact, abrasion, or heat. 
Polypropylene loom is probably the best for abrasion and heat.  https://www.waytekwire.com/products/146 … ypropylene

If heat is less of a factor and you are worried about abrasion, use braided nylon sleeve.  https://www.waytekwire.com/products/146 … -Sleeving/

I will add that proper cable routing and securing it with clamps is just as important as the protective covering.

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Re: Q: What's a good material to protect sensor wires in an engine bay?

Fun fact: running wires inside insulating conduits reduces their current-carrying capabilities.  Same is true of running multiple conductors in a bundle.  Because of heat.

Not relevant or really anything anyone building a car should ever have to worry about, and in fact more likely to just confuse matters, but I did say it was "fun", and this is how I entertain myself.

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Re: Q: What's a good material to protect sensor wires in an engine bay?

Anarchyjet wrote:

What is the failure mode you are trying to protect against? 
Impact, abrasion, or heat. 
Polypropylene loom is probably the best for abrasion and heat.  https://www.waytekwire.com/products/146 … ypropylene

If heat is less of a factor and you are worried about abrasion, use braided nylon sleeve.  https://www.waytekwire.com/products/146 … -Sleeving/

I will add that proper cable routing and securing it with clamps is just as important as the protective covering.

I agree that clamps will be crucial here as we don't want any cables sagging and getting caught up with the driveshaft that runs forward from the engine to the front diff.

In thinking about things further,  I think that heat is a higher priority issue than abrasian. Our skid plate should go underneath the driveshaft here so that should protect everything but the most determined rock from flying up past the driveshaft and nicking one of the wires.

Heat Shielding didn't seem to be super high on the Wildcat XX engineer's design list so I do believe things will get pretty hot in this "transmission tunnel" space. The coolant hoses also run forward and backwards from the rear/mid mounted Yamaha 3cyl engine towards the front mount radiator through the same space which will also add to the heat soak. Stock UTV class prevents us from relocating the radiator to behind the passenger compartment so we will have to keep those coolant lines in place.

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Re: Q: What's a good material to protect sensor wires in an engine bay?

If its not a Lemons car, I would probably use Raychem DR 25

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