1 (edited by aaron.vogel 2018-12-09 06:11 PM)

Topic: $250 Ready-to-race radio kit (Amazon list, I'm not selling anything)

Okay, since there's a couple of threads active on the topic now, I figured I'd make a full Amazon idea list of our radio setup. It is essentially plug and play (there is 1 modification required, you just have to remove a connector pin from a cable with angle-cutters). It runs on GMRS so you REALLY SHOULD get a license. Seriously, it is stupid easy. But other than that if you can change the channel on your TV you can use these radios.

Anyway, here's the setup:

https://www.amazon.com/ideas/amzn1.acco … RVUYTNPJP9

It includes:
2x BTECH GMRS handheld
1x Mag-mount antenna
4x Helmet kits (include PTT button)
1x radio holder for mounting in the car
1x PTT extension cable (this is the one that needs to be modified by removing a pin)
1x Battery eliminator (lets you plug the car radio into a 12 volt outlet in the car. You may need to get one of these separately)

Optional:
1x Midland blister-pack GMRS handhelds

Feel free to ask questions, but for the most part it is pretty self explanatory. Oh, and please do read the notes on each item in the list.

EDIT:
I've now also created a MURS version of this kit, again, please read the notes on each item: http://a.co/1s1Sstq

It includes:
2x BTECH MURS handheld
1x Mag-mount antenna
4x Helmet kits (include PTT button)
1x radio holder for mounting in the car
1x PTT extension cable (this is the one that needs to be modified by removing a pin)
1x Battery eliminator (lets you plug the car radio into a 12 volt outlet in the car. You may need to get one of these separately)

Optional:
1x Retevis blister-pack MURS handhelds

The differences are:

  • Positive: You don't need a license to use this kit.

  • Neutral: All the radios are limited to 2 watts, unlike GMRS radios which allow for radios up to 50 watts, but that's kind of moot because my other kit only has 2 watt radios as well.

  • Negative: I have no idea how crowded these channels are. You're limited to the 5 channels that MURS has instead of the 20-some-odd for GMRS

  • Negative: The Retevis radios requires windows software (free) to make CTCSS tone and really any other setup changes which is kind of lame.

Re: $250 Ready-to-race radio kit (Amazon list, I'm not selling anything)

Does this really work?

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Re: $250 Ready-to-race radio kit (Amazon list, I'm not selling anything)

stano316 wrote:

Does this really work?

This is exactly the setup we run in our car and it works great, that's why I shared it.

Re: $250 Ready-to-race radio kit (Amazon list, I'm not selling anything)

I think I may give this a shot. Thanks!

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Organizers Choice Award Thompson Motor Speedway 2017
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Re: $250 Ready-to-race radio kit (Amazon list, I'm not selling anything)

aaron.vogel wrote:

Okay, since there's a couple of threads active on the topic now, I figured I'd make a full Amazon idea list of our radio setup. It is essentially plug and play (there is 1 modification required, you just have to remove a connector pin from a cable with angle-cutters). It runs on GMRS so you REALLY SHOULD get a license. Seriously, it is stupid easy. But other than that if you can change the channel on your TV you can use these radios.

Anyway, here's the setup:

https://www.amazon.com/ideas/amzn1.acco … RVUYTNPJP9

It includes:
2x BTECH GMRS handheld
1x Mag-mount antenna
4x Helmet kits (include PTT button)
1x radio holder for mounting in the car
1x PTT extension cable (this is the one that needs to be modified by removing a pin)

Optional:
1x Midland blister-pack GMRS handhelds

Feel free to ask questions, but for the most part it is pretty self explanatory. Oh, and please do read the notes on each item in the list.


Y'all have any concerns running this system without a FCC GMRS license? i cant seem to find anything online that says you can get in trouble for running the system without the license unless someone reports you to the FCC.

Re: $250 Ready-to-race radio kit (Amazon list, I'm not selling anything)

waffle_stomp wrote:

i cant seem to find anything online that says you can get in trouble for running the system without the license unless someone reports you to the FCC.

you can get away with most crimes if nobody calls the police!

https://www.fcc.gov/general-mobile-radio-service-gmrs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_M … #Licensing

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Re: $250 Ready-to-race radio kit (Amazon list, I'm not selling anything)

waffle_stomp wrote:
aaron.vogel wrote:

Okay, since there's a couple of threads active on the topic now, I figured I'd make a full Amazon idea list of our radio setup. It is essentially plug and play (there is 1 modification required, you just have to remove a connector pin from a cable with angle-cutters). It runs on GMRS so you REALLY SHOULD get a license. Seriously, it is stupid easy. But other than that if you can change the channel on your TV you can use these radios.

Anyway, here's the setup:

https://www.amazon.com/ideas/amzn1.acco … RVUYTNPJP9

It includes:
2x BTECH GMRS handheld
1x Mag-mount antenna
4x Helmet kits (include PTT button)
1x radio holder for mounting in the car
1x PTT extension cable (this is the one that needs to be modified by removing a pin)

Optional:
1x Midland blister-pack GMRS handhelds

Feel free to ask questions, but for the most part it is pretty self explanatory. Oh, and please do read the notes on each item in the list.


Y'all have any concerns running this system without a FCC GMRS license? i cant seem to find anything online that says you can get in trouble for running the system without the license unless someone reports you to the FCC.

Except we actually do have a license so... no, no concerns on our part. The license is $70 for 10 years, no test... if you're balking at that I'm shocked you don't bitch about the $50 "race license" that Lemons charges...

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Re: $250 Ready-to-race radio kit (Amazon list, I'm not selling anything)

derekste wrote:
waffle_stomp wrote:

i cant seem to find anything online that says you can get in trouble for running the system without the license unless someone reports you to the FCC.

you can get away with most crimes if nobody calls the police!

https://www.fcc.gov/general-mobile-radio-service-gmrs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_M … #Licensing

This is something I seemed to have to explain to a student like once a semester when they would get all worked up about OMG how do I know when I'm exactly 500 feet under a cloud?

"Dude, there aren't FAA traffic cops out there hiding in the clouds waiting to catch you. If you do something really wrong you'll know it by being on fire and falling out of the sky, the rules are there as guidelines to help you think safe. You only get punished for them when you screw up hard enough to get noticed. Which if you try your best to follow the rules, you won't."

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Re: $250 Ready-to-race radio kit (Amazon list, I'm not selling anything)

aaron.vogel wrote:
waffle_stomp wrote:
aaron.vogel wrote:

Okay, since there's a couple of threads active on the topic now, I figured I'd make a full Amazon idea list of our radio setup. It is essentially plug and play (there is 1 modification required, you just have to remove a connector pin from a cable with angle-cutters). It runs on GMRS so you REALLY SHOULD get a license. Seriously, it is stupid easy. But other than that if you can change the channel on your TV you can use these radios.

Anyway, here's the setup:

https://www.amazon.com/ideas/amzn1.acco … RVUYTNPJP9

It includes:
2x BTECH GMRS handheld
1x Mag-mount antenna
4x Helmet kits (include PTT button)
1x radio holder for mounting in the car
1x PTT extension cable (this is the one that needs to be modified by removing a pin)

Optional:
1x Midland blister-pack GMRS handhelds

Feel free to ask questions, but for the most part it is pretty self explanatory. Oh, and please do read the notes on each item in the list.


Y'all have any concerns running this system without a FCC GMRS license? i cant seem to find anything online that says you can get in trouble for running the system without the license unless someone reports you to the FCC.

Except we actually do have a license so... no, no concerns on our part. The license is $70 for 10 years, no test... if you're balking at that I'm shocked you don't bitch about the $50 "race license" that Lemons charges...

Although word on the street is GMRS licensing will go away soon because the FCC hates looking impotent since so many non-licensed people use it already.

Write your Congressperson. They don't care one way or the other and you may be the only person saying anything when it comes time for re-authorization.

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A&D: 2014 Sebrings at Sebring (NSF), 2014 NJMP2 Jurassic Park (SpeedyCop), 2012 Summit Point J30 (PiNuts)
2018 Route Sucky-Suck Rally Miata.

Re: $250 Ready-to-race radio kit (Amazon list, I'm not selling anything)

In 2010, the FCC proposed removing the GMRS license requirement as part of other changes, but it didn't make it through Congress. Probably because nobody cared enough to notice.(https://www.buytwowayradios.com/blog/2010/06/a_summary_of_the_fcc_proposed_changes_to_gmrs_and_other_services.html)

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Re: $250 Ready-to-race radio kit (Amazon list, I'm not selling anything)

billybobster wrote:

but it didn't make it through Congress. Probably because nobody cared enough to notice.

All day to day operations of the US congress in a nutshell.

"Huh? thing that won't get me either re-elected or voted out? Whatever, when's Tee Time?"

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Re: $250 Ready-to-race radio kit (Amazon list, I'm not selling anything)

What kind of range do you get out of this setup?

Re: $250 Ready-to-race radio kit (Amazon list, I'm not selling anything)

How does the FCC license work?  Does everyone on the team need to get a license or just one person?

Re: $250 Ready-to-race radio kit (Amazon list, I'm not selling anything)

jjmoonen wrote:

What kind of range do you get out of this setup?

No Idea, more than lots, but less than 3 miles? Never tested it. I do know there's no dead spots at Gingerman.

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2018 Route Sucky-Suck Rally Miata.

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britully wrote:

How does the FCC license work?  Does everyone on the team need to get a license or just one person?

Yea every operator needs it.

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A&D: 2014 Sebrings at Sebring (NSF), 2014 NJMP2 Jurassic Park (SpeedyCop), 2012 Summit Point J30 (PiNuts)
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Re: $250 Ready-to-race radio kit (Amazon list, I'm not selling anything)

aaron.vogel wrote:

Okay, since there's a couple of threads active on the topic now, I figured I'd make a full Amazon idea list of our radio setup. It is essentially plug and play (there is 1 modification required, you just have to remove a connector pin from a cable with angle-cutters). It runs on GMRS so you REALLY SHOULD get a license. Seriously, it is stupid easy. But other than that if you can change the channel on your TV you can use these radios.

Anyway, here's the setup:

https://www.amazon.com/ideas/amzn1.acco … RVUYTNPJP9

It includes:
2x BTECH GMRS handheld
1x Mag-mount antenna
4x Helmet kits (include PTT button)
1x radio holder for mounting in the car
1x PTT extension cable (this is the one that needs to be modified by removing a pin)

Optional:
1x Midland blister-pack GMRS handhelds

Feel free to ask questions, but for the most part it is pretty self explanatory. Oh, and please do read the notes on each item in the list.

I bought this set up for the race in Houston.  Is there a good tutorial available online?  The manual assumes I already know what I am doing, which is very much not the case, and I don't even know what most of the vocabulary is.  "Squelch" sounds interesting, but don't know what that entails.  I am just looking to make this as idiot-proof as possible, and also wondering whether our channel will be overrun by other teams trying to talk too (as there are only a couple of dozen GMRS channels).

17 (edited by aaron.vogel 2018-12-09 04:46 PM)

Re: $250 Ready-to-race radio kit (Amazon list, I'm not selling anything)

Hey, sorry guys, I stopped getting notices for this thread for some reason... anyway, answers:

jjmoonen wrote:

What kind of range do you get out of this setup?

Enough for most tracks, few miles from car to pits, maybe a mile pits to car. YMMV. Sonoma and Thunderhill cause some issues depending on car/spotter placement and hills, but generally nothing too problematic. Those "35 mile range" claims of various blister-pack radios are 100% theoretical and not at all real-world.

britully wrote:

How does the FCC license work?  Does everyone on the team need to get a license or just one person?

GMRS license is for "immediate family", so if you're racing with your dad or brother or whatever then you can share a license. Otherwise yeah, anyone getting on the horn under GMRS frequencies SHOULD get their own license.

I did just realize that BTECH makes a MURS version of this.. downside is fewer frequencies to try if there's a lot of traffic, up side is 0 license requirements... so maybe consider swapping that for the GMRS version... SHOULD work totally interchangeably with the one I listed.. you'd have to get other MURS radios (or just multiples of this) for the pits to be compatible... http://a.co/d/7mNnQrX

Maybe I'll make a MURS version of this kit and update the post...

britully wrote:
aaron.vogel wrote:

Okay, since there's a couple of threads active on the topic now, I figured I'd make a full Amazon idea list of our radio setup. It is essentially plug and play (there is 1 modification required, you just have to remove a connector pin from a cable with angle-cutters). It runs on GMRS so you REALLY SHOULD get a license. Seriously, it is stupid easy. But other than that if you can change the channel on your TV you can use these radios.

Anyway, here's the setup:

https://www.amazon.com/ideas/amzn1.acco … RVUYTNPJP9

It includes:
2x BTECH GMRS handheld
1x Mag-mount antenna
4x Helmet kits (include PTT button)
1x radio holder for mounting in the car
1x PTT extension cable (this is the one that needs to be modified by removing a pin)

Optional:
1x Midland blister-pack GMRS handhelds

Feel free to ask questions, but for the most part it is pretty self explanatory. Oh, and please do read the notes on each item in the list.

I bought this set up for the race in Houston.  Is there a good tutorial available online?  The manual assumes I already know what I am doing, which is very much not the case, and I don't even know what most of the vocabulary is.  "Squelch" sounds interesting, but don't know what that entails.  I am just looking to make this as idiot-proof as possible, and also wondering whether our channel will be overrun by other teams trying to talk too (as there are only a couple of dozen GMRS channels).

There's soooo many youtube videos out there that cover a bunch of different stuff.. I'd spend some time just browsing on there...

For the SUPER basics:

0) You need to be in channel mode to actually use these radios to transmit. They are receive only in frequency mode (RTFM). To change between the two hold menu while powering the radio on.

1) Squelch is for telling the radio when to stop playing what its receiving based on the power of the transmission. There's always a certain amount of background "noise" on any frequency, but usually very low power. Squelch tells the radio at what power it should "open up" and start playing what its hearing. For this setting you basically want it as low as possible. Turn it down until you hear static, then turn it back up a bit. If you have this turned up too high you won't hear anything unless the transmitting radio is super close.

2) Avoiding other users. There's actually 2 parts to this:

  • Obviously the first step is to try and find a channel that no one is on. This can change even as the race weekend goes by, but this is the best way to start. After you find an empty or low-traffic channel, setup a CTCSS tone or "privacy tone" on all the radios. This doesn't make your transmissions "private" as the naming from some manufacturers might suggest, but is like a second kind of squelch. When set up, CTCSS tones tell the radio to only "open up" when a certain sub-audible tone is transmitted from another radio. This lets multiple teams use the same channel without hearing each other all day - if using different tones. There's one caveat though... different manufacturers call these tones different codes (just like different manufacturers sometimes call the same frequency different "channels"). Use this handy chart to help figure out which channels / codes you should be using: https://www.k0tfu.org/reference/frs-gmr … mystified/

  • Second, everyone should be using the "busy channel lockout" feature in conjunction with CTCSS tones. This feature prevents the radio from transmitting when it senses there's traffic on the frequency/channel even if it isn't "opened up". For example: if Team A and Team B are both on Channel 12, but Team A is using CTCSS tone 77.0 and Team B is using CTCSS tone 67.0 they won't hear each other. However, if Team A is transmitting, and Team B starts to transmit, one of a number of not awesome things will happen: 1) both teams will hear garbled nonsense, 2) Team B will come in more powerfully than Team B due to transmitter strength or proximity and "walk over" Team A mid-transmission (rude) or 3) Team B won't be heard at all because their signal was weaker than Team A, but they won't know it because there's no indication they weren't heard. None of these are good scenarios. The solution is "busy channel lockout." The result of the above scenario if Team B had busy channel lockout on would be Team B would hear a beep that would indicate the channel was busy and their transmission was not sent. They'd know to try again in 10-20 seconds when the other team is hopefully done with their transmission.

Otherwise there isn't a whole lot you need to do changing settings. Play around with the radios and RTFM and you should be good. If you come up with specific questions I'll try to pay better attention to this post in the future...

Re: $250 Ready-to-race radio kit (Amazon list, I'm not selling anything)

Or, stay open and just transmit when you don't hear someone else talking.

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A&D: 2014 Sebrings at Sebring (NSF), 2014 NJMP2 Jurassic Park (SpeedyCop), 2012 Summit Point J30 (PiNuts)
2018 Route Sucky-Suck Rally Miata.

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Guildenstern wrote:

Or, stay open and just transmit when you don't hear someone else talking.

I'm partial to concentrating on driving and not the irrelevant chatter in my ear. When we first started using these we did that, but it got old quick.

Re: $250 Ready-to-race radio kit (Amazon list, I'm not selling anything)

Never really noticed a distraction. Not like my ears are doing anything more important in a loud race car anyways.

Good thing we can still hear people using CTCSS, and really with our rig, we don't have to worry about getting stepped on by them either.

Mistake By The Lake Racing (MBTL)
88 Thunderbird "THUNDERBIRDS ARE GO!"
A&D: 2014 Sebrings at Sebring (NSF), 2014 NJMP2 Jurassic Park (SpeedyCop), 2012 Summit Point J30 (PiNuts)
2018 Route Sucky-Suck Rally Miata.