1 (edited by Spank 2018-12-26 03:38 PM)

Topic: 1-3 drivers wanted for AZ Class C car. Newbies & Veterans welcome

Looking for drivers for a relatively boring econo box 2003 Hyundai Accent, with minimal "race prep". Still tagged for the street and It's my current daily driver.  Not a racecar-- it's a street car with a roll cage. Manual trans, floppy suspension, 104 factory hp according to internets.

Depends on who else gets thrown into Class C, and who signs up to drive, but it could conceivably contend for a top placing in class simply based on how long it can stay on track without incident.

Track eats tires no matter how fast or slow your car is, so we need to be ready (ie: pay $) for probably 6 tires rather than the usual 2-3 per event that's why it's not super cheap to run at Inde.

It is possible I'll have the ability to bring a backup / spare car in case some asshat miata driver decides to crash into us because "he had the line".

Looking for drivers with $ to equally share the expenses involved with getting the car to the track,  participating in the event, and returning the car back to SoCal. Tow&track fuel, pads&shoes, oil&filter, stuff like that.

Could be as high as $1500 for consumables to get the car through the weekend, but I expect it to be lower. That means $1500 split between however many drivers we have plus $1380 entry fee also split between drivers.

If 2 drivers it means $690 entry fee plus max $750 consumables
3 drivers is $460 entry plus max $500 consumables
4 drivers is $345 entry plus max $375 consumables

I'll require you to pay your share of the entry $ directly to Lemons HQ and provide a deposit to me of the expected consumables. Unspent deposit $ will be returned.

I have some loaner gear if you're a newbie. You'll need your own gloves, balaclava, and I recommend your own shoes.

One policy I have is that while the steering wheel is in your hands or your butt is in the seat, you are responsible for bringing the racecar back in a condition that allows the next driver to have her or his next stint, minus "normal track wear and tear" like we need to add oil, rotate tires, change brake pads, etc. Stuff happens, and this is a $500 street car on a racetrack. mechanicals are not your fault unless there is solid evidence that is WAS your fault . In terms of damaged suffered as a result of contact: If it costs $ to make it trackworthy again, the person who was in the vehicle when the contact occurred is financially responsible for those repairs. In the event of a total loss, the car is valued at $2500.

Example: Bend a wheel or suspension component? Replace it or provide $ to replace it. Dent a fender? so long as it can go back out on track no big deal. Hit the wall, roll, and it burns to ashes: Find another 03-05 Accent and help me cage it or just pay $2500 and say Ciao.

If you come in after having been double-tapped by a miata and and say "It's not my fault" that the rear subframe is bent and can't be straightened, well it's not MY fault either just because I towed it to the track and let you get in it. You can find a replacement rear subframe yourself or you can go negotiate with the miata driver to have her/him to source a replacement or some combination of that.

Another policy I have is if you earn a black flag, you are by default out of the car until the other drivers have taken their next full stint (can be overruled by the waiting drivers on the team if they all say you can go back out)

If you want to sue me because you get hurt, killed, or simply feel cheated? Please don't.  You are never required to enter the racetrack in the car or even get into the vehicle. It is most definitely your choice to get into what is most definitely a machine of death and the roll cage was installed by someone with no certifications whatsoever (Well, I have a secondary school single subject teaching certificate valid in CA only).

Only promises are that the car will pass tech prior to the drop of the green flag Sat. You are welcome and encouraged to come help me prep the car prior to the event weekend, but not required. While at the track, however, there is a reasonable expectation that you'll help do whatever is necessary to maintain the car and send it back out (help belt in others, help with refueling, normal teammate stuff).

Re: 1-3 drivers wanted for AZ Class C car. Newbies & Veterans welcome

Spank wrote:

It is possible I'll have the ability to bring a backup / spare car in case some asshat miata driver decides to crash into us because "he had the line".

I think he was wearing a different kind of hat.

Re: 1-3 drivers wanted for AZ Class C car. Newbies & Veterans welcome

Spank wrote:

Not a racecar... Manual trans, floppy suspension, 104 factory hp according to internets.

Sounds like a racecar to me.

I've always had a great time as an arrive-and-drive on Spank's teams, so for whatever my endorsement is worth, I'll say this is a good opportunity. Inde is a fun track, too. I've already arranged to be there on a different team, otherwise this would be tempting.

Spank wrote:

I have some loaner gear if you're a newbie. You'll need your own gloves, balaclava, and I recommend your own shoes.

Maybe your own socks, too. I mean, after all, of all the things that "aren't that expensive" these really are not that expensive.

1982 MG Metro 1300: IOE 2015 Pacific Northworst GP, Longest Distance 2010 Cd'L Box Wine Country Classic
1980 KV Mini 1: Worst of Show and Fright Pig Supremo 2009 Concours d'Lemons
1978 H Special: Second-Round Elimination 2010 Lemons Pinewood Derby at Sears Pointless
1967 SAAB 96: IOE 2012 Pacific Northworst GP

Re: 1-3 drivers wanted for AZ Class C car. Newbies & Veterans welcome

Interested. Sent you a PM with details.

Re: 1-3 drivers wanted for AZ Class C car. Newbies & Veterans welcome

msgs sent.



Spots still available.

Re: 1-3 drivers wanted for AZ Class C car. Newbies & Veterans welcome

2-3 Spots still available.

Keep getting asked how much it will likely cost. With 4 Drivers, the LIKELY cost would be $650 per driver which includes entry fees and car consumables. You'll still need your own food and lodging on top of that, but there's a $50 chow line option from a local team and I'm open to sharing a hotel.

7 (edited by Spank 2019-01-30 10:23 AM)

Re: 1-3 drivers wanted for AZ Class C car. Newbies & Veterans welcome

Looks like I'm out. Nobody wants to race a Hyundai I guess.

Or maybe it's me.

https://youtu.be/IKc11BRgh-4?t=280

Re: 1-3 drivers wanted for AZ Class C car. Newbies & Veterans welcome

I would love to drive with you anytime Spank! Doesn’t matter what car. I even have relatives to stay with there in Wilcox. Just can’t make this one.

9 (edited by MZAVARIN 2019-04-17 07:48 PM)

Re: 1-3 drivers wanted for AZ Class C car. Newbies & Veterans welcome

I love your "One Policy"  for the team, so I think I will plagiarize it...hope you don't mind
Maybe with a few modifications....
I mean, if you put it in a wall, with no contact....it is YOUR fault
If you spin it, and someone crashes into you, it is YOUR fault
If you are passing, and you crash, it is YOUR fault (passing cars' responsibility to pass cleanly, no matter how dumb the other driver happens to be)
But I'm not too sure what to do if my car gets wrecked, and it is clearly not the fault of my driver (like getting T-boned in a turn, or passing car smashes into you)...I guess I would need to suck it up, my loss.
Although often "fault" could be debated...

I heard a person on another team blame the "equipment" (rotors felt warped, tires too worn, brakes too grabby, etc.) for putting the car in the wall...and using that as an argument for not being responsible for the accidentdamage....saying the car was prepped poorly...
I don't think that is a valid argument..but I'm not sure....

I am also sole owner with 3 consistent A&D, and this will hopefully prevent any misunderstanding in the future....

MarioKart Driving School: 1987 Honda Prelude Opus #28  (still can't win anything...)

Re: 1-3 drivers wanted for AZ Class C car. Newbies & Veterans welcome

MZAVARIN wrote:

I heard a person on another team blame the "equipment" (rotors felt warped, tires too worn, brakes too grabby, etc.) for putting the car in the wall...and using that as an argument for not being responsible for the accidentdamage....saying the car was prepped poorly...
I don't think that is a valid argument..but I'm not sure....

I agree, that sounds like grade-A horse hockey. This is Lemons, and you are responsible for driving the car you're driving. If the handling is "unpredictable" or the brakes are sketchy or it has bad grip, maybe you should've noticed that in your first couple easy laps and not driven the car faster than you felt comfortable driving it. If the car was advertised as being a well-sorted, competitive car, but was actually a sketchy POS, then maybe an A&D might have grounds for a refund. But they wouldn't have grounds for driving the car past its limits and putting it into a wall.

Now if the wreck was a result of an unexpected failure (brake hydraulics went away, wheel fell off, massive structural failure, etc.) then the driver might have a point.

Command Pilot/Flight Director, Escape Velocity Racing
Index of Effluency, Heroic Fix, Class C Trophy, now hopelessly gunning for Class B.
Currently 1-2 vs. Team Fairlylame in the Class of 1964 Championships

Re: 1-3 drivers wanted for AZ Class C car. Newbies & Veterans welcome

No one is forcing them to drive. If they don’t feel comfortable with the equipment then they should come off the track immediately or pull over and get a tow in. They should also be smart enough to know when something is wrong with the car and bring it in to get fixed before it gets really broke.

Re: 1-3 drivers wanted for AZ Class C car. Newbies & Veterans welcome

Turned out to be a blessing in disguise that nobody wanted to race with me at Inde.

I ended up still driving the Hyundai out to spectate at the race on Saturday (since it is licensed registered smogged and still has the interior in it and the stock driver seat bolts back in and I can use the stock inertia reel seatbelts on the street) and drove back to San Diego Sunday morning.

I had lots of folks saying "Well, if you do Sonoma, let me know" so I DID! Wasn't in my initial season plans, but we Ended up having a grand ol time with the Leno crew!

Very honored to be able to say Jay Leno wrecked my Hyundai!

The on-track damage was only cosmetic and required no $ out of my pocket to repair it to make it trackworthy again, so he got off scott-free on the repair bill obligations.

Bicycle Land Speed Record Holder Denise Mueller Korenek was involved in the turn 3 incident captured on someone else's video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp2r27kRv0g and fortunately suffered no damage to the car during the subsequent spin so she too got off scott-free.

My cousin Frank rubbed up against someone's weiner on the passenger door which broke the door glass (window was rolled down and the glass had tinting film on it so it all remained contained inside the door card and plastic sheeting that was all still in place). He too got off scott-free because no damage occurred that prevented the car from safely taking the track again.

I think there were 2 additional incidents of contact from what the drivers were willing to confess to me-- so 5 total-- but none prevented the car from being track-worthy so all was "good".

I don't like Sonoma because of all of the rubbing, but I entered into it eyes wide open that the car could be totaled at any time and those who drove with me are aware of my policy, all [except Leno] have driven with me before, and even though the 2 additional backup cars each only went on track for part of the weekend, I think I was still able to offer an otherwise Incomparable Lemons Experience.

I always make clear that if you want to RACE race, then I'm probably not the A&D experience for you. But if you want a full Lemons experience, if you can recognize that I don't offer these opportunities up to profit off of you [nor can I afford to suffer a loss for your enjoyment], and if you are willing to accept responsibility for your part in all of this, then I'm happy to have you along for the ride at future events, space permitting.


[I'm purposefully leaving out the details that involved a hefty payout from a cold-blooded Insurance Company... I'll save that story for another time. Maybe once the statute of limitations have run out...]