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Topic: Summit Point

How hard would it be to get a race at Summit Point (WV) fun tracks. I'd think if NJMP can bring 100+ cars so could Summit. Any thoughts?

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Re: Summit Point

I believe stuff like this is why Lemons doesnt run there anymore.

https://youtu.be/8xd7NKVWjOs

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Re: Summit Point

Summit point did bring over 100 cars. Which had outgrown Shenandoah. The main track, as has been documented on many sites has some runnoff issues. As well as the previously mentioned run ON issues.

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Re: Summit Point

Summit Point was one of the reasons there was a "Stunting and Sploding" rule.

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Re: Summit Point

Really miss going to Summit Point. Maybe HQ will take another look now that the track has made some improvements and is under new management.

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Re: Summit Point

If not, hopefully Pitt goes well. That area needs a race somewhere.

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Re: Summit Point

Not enough paddock space, unsafe runoffs, routine animal intrusions on the track, and add concurrent event issues. There was a race where Lemons was there and the track booked another big event on another track for the whole weekend. Took me two hours to make a run to a parts store that was about 10 miles away. Would prefer any track other than Summit Point.

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Re: Summit Point

They always booked with Hyperfest because it's cheap.

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Re: Summit Point

Hyperfest isn't even at SPR anymore.  They are putting up "deer fence" around the perimeter of the entire compound.

Run-off issues and limited paddock issues are no different than Thompson.

Track is under new ownership, but still the same management for motorsports operations.

I still don't see Lemons ever returning, which is sad.  Shenandoah was the most fun I've had in Lemons.

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Re: Summit Point

racinrob wrote:

Shenandoah was the most fun I've had in Lemons.

Agreed, our little 318 diced the hell out of that track!  I've not been looking too hard, but whenever I see any non-LeMons events, they are not on Shenandoah.  Our first race in 2010 was there.  Crap! I've been throwing money into this terrible idea for nearly 10 years!

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Re: Summit Point

cheseroo wrote:

I believe stuff like this is why Lemons doesnt run there anymore.

https://youtu.be/8xd7NKVWjOs


WOW we have raced that Shark BMW in Chumps there before

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Re: Summit Point

I'd go back there in a heartbeat.

The Karousel

The silliness over at hyperfest

The good times.

The bump on the bridge straight that makes the car go light.

The corkscrew

The deer that took me out of P1

So much funs....

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Re: Summit Point

Agreed.... Still my favorite track!
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Re: Summit Point

what are we? wusses?
hell, if the Australian crowd could do endurance races with kangaroos on the track, we should be able to dodge a few deer

https://jalopnik.com/endurance-racing-i … 1841414130

What's the worst that could happen....Roadkill cookout...?

Besides, I've seen a few Lemons drivers/cars/teams that are probably more dangerous on the track than a prancing deer....

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Re: Summit Point

MZAVARIN wrote:

what are we? wusses?
hell, if the Australian crowd could do endurance races with kangaroos on the track, we should be able to dodge a few deer

https://jalopnik.com/endurance-racing-i … 1841414130

What's the worst that could happen....Roadkill cookout...?

Besides, I've seen a few Lemons drivers/cars/teams that are probably more dangerous on the track than a prancing deer....

It had more to do with the hard barriers when you go off.  Safety concerns.  Volvo guy hit hard, broke an ankle, and the car was a total loss...

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Re: Summit Point

Sir Thomas Crapper wrote:

Volvo guy hit hard, broke an ankle, and the car was a total loss...

Yep, that was a big one https://youtu.be/422ro2AbEWw

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Re: Summit Point

Has anyone been back to Shenadoah lately? It looks like there is a tire wall at this barrier and elsewhere on the track. I see a lot more of those "safer" walls as well. here  is a video from last year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL8Ua1joVxg

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Re: Summit Point

Jesus, timed laps in an uncaged car on Shenandoah.

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Re: Summit Point

Guildenstern wrote:

Jesus, timed laps in an uncaged car on Shenandoah.

That's gridlife Time attack, Street Mod class. It a legit sanctioning body and they have a stellar safety record.

The SCCA new time trial series does nearly the same rules set for the two lower classes.

One lap cars.

Doesn't mean you have to run a car without a cage.

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Re: Summit Point

Greg S wrote:
Guildenstern wrote:

Jesus, timed laps in an uncaged car on Shenandoah.

That's gridlife Time attack, Street Mod class. It a legit sanctioning body and they have a stellar safety record.

The SCCA new time trial series does nearly the same rules set for the two lower classes.

One lap cars.

Doesn't mean you have to run a car without a cage.

I still shake my head at some of the HPDE/Time attack stuff they do.  A couple of times I've brought Lemons cars to Fontana during HPDE events.  It just seems odd to me to be going through T1/2 at the bottom of the oval banking at 100+ with full cage, safety gear, etc while some guy in a GT3/Viper/M5 blows around above me at 130+ while only wearing a helmet and t-shirt.  Just a blown tire away from things getting ugly fast.

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Re: Summit Point

cheseroo wrote:
Greg S wrote:
Guildenstern wrote:

Jesus, timed laps in an uncaged car on Shenandoah.

That's gridlife Time attack, Street Mod class. It a legit sanctioning body and they have a stellar safety record.

The SCCA new time trial series does nearly the same rules set for the two lower classes.

One lap cars.

Doesn't mean you have to run a car without a cage.

I still shake my head at some of the HPDE/Time attack stuff they do.  A couple of times I've brought Lemons cars to Fontana during HPDE events.  It just seems odd to me to be going through T1/2 at the bottom of the oval banking at 100+ with full cage, safety gear, etc while some guy in a GT3/Viper/M5 blows around above me at 130+ while only wearing a helmet and t-shirt.  Just a blown tire away from things getting ugly fast.

Yep, not my cup of tea, but its done all over.

Track night in America cars are street cars as well.

Only allowing caged, harnessed cars on track puts all HDPE people out of business along with making it nonviable financially for A LOT of tracks.

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Re: Summit Point

Most of the street car things I've done have been specifically no timing with flow restrictions. And as usual the track has a lot to do with where on the sliding scale OK should be.

As for "Legit Sanctioning Body" I just think of two adages from aviation:
1. There are two types of pilots who fly retractible gear aircraft; The ones who have landed gear up, and the ones who will.
2. That which doesn't kill you will only make you more complacent.

Having seen what happens when a Caged car goes over top of the carousel, I wouldn't be interested in trying to break a time trial record out there in a street car.

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Re: Summit Point

The big difference between Time Attack and Wheel-to-wheel racing, is that if you wreck your car in Time Attack, it is your own fault and responsibility.

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Re: Summit Point

I definitely see other cars out there.

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Re: Summit Point

Guildenstern wrote:

I definitely see other cars out there.

There ranked by pace then sent out with timed gap. Been going on forever.

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