1 (edited by knight1 2023-03-06 01:03 PM)

Topic: Tetanus Racing 1986 Porsche 944 for sale in Houston, $4,995 (SOLD)

Tetanus Racing 1986 Porsche 944 which has been prepped for 24 hours of Lemons (2022 Class B winner at NOLA). Engine was completely rebuilt/upgraded in 2015 with a 1983 double crossed drilled crank for improved oil transfer, ARP rod bolts, a crank scraper, a 951 (944 Turbo) oil cooler and a chip. Shifter is a short shift kit from 944online and transaxle is solid billet mount. Brakes are currently racing Hawk blue pads that are at about half-life. Front suspension is modified with coilovers, camber plates and a strut/camber plate bar. The car is fully caged and has a 4-nozzle on board fire suppression system (2 nozzles at driver position, 2 nozzles in engine compartment) in compliance with the current Lemons safety rules.

It is a turnkey package and has many extras including a 20-foot flat-bed trailer, 4 sets of wheels (2 cookies, a phone dial and a faux fuchs set), spare blocks, heads, cam towers, cranks, transaxles, torque tube, hubs, DME's, etc. New in box axle half shafts, brake rotors, clutches, filters. etc.  Also comes with an engine stand, engine hoist, light weight ramps for trailer loading, 5 fuel jugs, pop-up canopy, and other items and spare parts which escape my memory at present. Car needs a new header, a new external fire suppression cable, and a relay installed on the starter switch. Currently has no coolant (water) for storage purposes.

Price is $4,995 ($500 for the car, $4,495 for the trailer, extras, spares & safety) for the total package and is located in northwest Houston in the Northpointe area.

2 (edited by knight1 2023-02-07 12:32 AM)

Re: Tetanus Racing 1986 Porsche 944 for sale in Houston, $4,995 (SOLD)

John, there is only one pic I can think of with the trailer: 

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ … e=6407A1AE


However, if you do a search on Tetanus Racing 944, you will find the facebook page with lots of pics, as well as a number of on board you tube videos of the car, the most recent being:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdcptHf2Nb4

The car was also featured in a Jalopnik article:

https://jalopnik.com/racing-someone-els … 1767410043
 
Also, if you go to the Lemons results page for NOLA 2022, the car is featured in photos and the wrap up video.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Re: Tetanus Racing 1986 Porsche 944 for sale in Houston, $4,995 (SOLD)

So, is there really a $500 limit, or does everyone just cheat?

4 (edited by Stan in Bham 2023-02-07 06:00 AM)

Re: Tetanus Racing 1986 Porsche 944 for sale in Houston, $4,995 (SOLD)

grandma wrote:

So, is there really a $500 limit, or does everyone just cheat?

The $500 limit for the car does not include the cost of the safety equipment: roll cage, seat, harness, fire suppression, brakes, etc.  Having a good roll cage done by a pro will cost $3,000 and up most places. If you consider the time and effort a team puts into building a car, and the fact that this one appears to be ready to run, comes with a huge amount of spare parts, And comes with a trailer; it isn't a bad price at all - in fact it is a bargain.  You will put more than that into preparing a car for Lemons, especially one this competitive.

Re: Tetanus Racing 1986 Porsche 944 for sale in Houston, $4,995 (SOLD)

Heck of a deal!  Glws!!

Re: Tetanus Racing 1986 Porsche 944 for sale in Houston, $4,995 (SOLD)

Man.  I have less than 0 desire to have a 944.  But I'm looking into making a faster car, and that's a freaking hell of a deal.

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Re: Tetanus Racing 1986 Porsche 944 for sale in Houston, $4,995 (SOLD)

- Does this pretty comfortably fit tall people?

- It seems like you've done a lot to improve reliability - is the car fairly reliable?  I'm sure it takes work to keep it going like any racecar, but, I've heard lots of horror stories over the years about tracked 944s just being impossible to keep going. 

- The trailer looks in great shape - probably has a pretty good chance of making it back to North Carolina? 

944 + ill advised, lemony engine swap could be a lot of fun.

Semi-Sentient Centenarians
1996 Buick Century - we upgraded our crappy GM sedan with parts from a crappy GM minivan.
"It's got a van motor, a 220 cubic inch plant, it's got van tires, van suspension, van shocks. It's a model with the catalytic converters ripped out so
     it'll run good on regular gas. What do you say, is it a racecar or what?" - Blues Brothers, Probably

Re: Tetanus Racing 1986 Porsche 944 for sale in Houston, $4,995 (SOLD)

Yes, the car will fit tall folks comfortably, and has been reliable since the engine rebuild and installation of the billet transaxle mount.

Trailer is in good shape, and should make the trip just fine. It could use replacement of a couple decking boards, but nothing major.

Please note, that there is alot of extra parts & stuff and you would need an additional trailer or Uhaul van to move it.

Re: Tetanus Racing 1986 Porsche 944 for sale in Houston, $4,995 (SOLD)

Hi Stan - Thanks for the reply.  Just trying to figure out the race rules so that I don't waste time and end up not qualifying.

What you're saying is contrary to race rule 4.1.1:
Lame-Ass Rationalizations: ... “it would have been worth $500 if it didn’t already have a cage” doesn’t count. Five hundred dollars means five hundred frickin’ dollars!

Finding a $500 car that moves under its own power is difficult enough.  A running 944 at that price point is impossible.  Maybe I should ask in a different forum though; don't want to get off topic here.

Stan in Bham wrote:

...a good roll cage done by a pro will cost $3,000 and up...

Re: Tetanus Racing 1986 Porsche 944 for sale in Houston, $4,995 (SOLD)

Stan is speaking from experience in Lemons and from a real world perspective. This is a feasible car to race and cheaper than building your own. Trailers and spare parts cost money. Having bought and sold caged cars for more than $500 but less than the cage bill, it’s a real thing that adds real value. Put another way, when I asked over $1000 for my Benz S500, why would a buyer travel from out of state to pick it up for any other reason? Minus the tech-ready cage, what’s a Benz with questionable mechanicals, no interior, and superficial body damage worth? I’d say less than $500!

To give another example, our Passat was free. Given to our team to make into a race car. We added safety gear and we race it, No sweat about budget or cheating. $ outlay has never been discussed in BS, we get classed and we race. It’s a VW. This is a naturally aspirated 944. It’s not a retired Spec Miata, it’s a plausible Lemons car. 944s aren’t as common as they once were, and they are rising in value rather than depreciating, but trashed ones that have needs still aren’t worth much. I’ll have to ask my teammate how much he paid for his, but it was low three figures. Bad paint, bad interior, wiring issues. Start with that and work your way up… or buy this one.

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Re: Tetanus Racing 1986 Porsche 944 for sale in Houston, $4,995 (SOLD)

Yes, that is what the rules say, but that (along with many of the rules EXCEPT those specifically about safety) is not normally enforced very strictly unless you are being a butthead at BS inspection.  The intent appears to be preventing someone from bringing in a recent SCCA-retired car and trying to spend their way to victory lane rather than building a Lemons car in the spirit of the rules (or buying a previously Lemons-run car). The car in that ad is a well-known car that has been run by a well-known team, so the Lemons "value" is pretty well established.

To clarify, the $500 limit is loosely enforced.  If you are looking for strict rule enforcement, thick rulebooks, and ability to challenge to other teams' cars, then this isn't the series you are looking for.  In this case, the car is a nearly 40 year old Porsche.  The judges are just happy to see those on the track and will not question in detail unless you go overboard with shiny new upgrades.  The team running the '47 Plymouth sedan, the Rover, or the TR7 can pretty much do anything they want to it, because they are racing a '47 Plymouth/Rover/TR7 and the judges love that.  If you bring something interesting/unusual, really old, or do an odd engine swap, you will get high fives from the judges and sail through BS inspection.  If you bring a nice Miata, recent BMW, or something that isn't unique and looks cheaty, you'll get a much closer inspection.   Those of us running Beetles,  Golfs, Civics, Corollas, Camrys, etc., are not raked over the coals during BS inspection.  My team started out getting B Class all the time, then eventually worked our way down to C by consistently showing incompetence and unreliability, and getting slightly better at a theme and bribes. Sometimes we get a few penalty laps and sometimes not.   

The BS cost penalty isn't significant for a new team anyway.  Our team's purpose is to have a fun race weekend, and try to place well.  I think the teams that make their main goal winning miss out on some of the fun of being there, enjoying a race weekend, and helping other teams out/being helped out.  We have fun whether we got penalty laps or not, and a few laps won't make or break our weekend.  For a new team, a bunch of laps wouldn't make or break your weekend unless all you cared about was winning a trophy.

I respectfully suggest re-reading the rules with an eye towards the humorous, tongue-in-cheek notes included.  You'll see that they are written very seriously when it comes to the safety part, and not so seriously for most other parts. It appears to me that there is intended to be a lot of leeway in enforcement of anything not safety-related, but little or no leeway when it comes to safety.

Re: Tetanus Racing 1986 Porsche 944 for sale in Houston, $4,995 (SOLD)

grandma wrote:

Hi Stan - Thanks for the reply.  Just trying to figure out the race rules so that I don't waste time and end up not qualifying.

What you're saying is contrary to race rule 4.1.1:
Lame-Ass Rationalizations: ... “it would have been worth $500 if it didn’t already have a cage” doesn’t count. Five hundred dollars means five hundred frickin’ dollars!

Finding a $500 car that moves under its own power is difficult enough.  A running 944 at that price point is impossible.  Maybe I should ask in a different forum though; don't want to get off topic here.

Stan in Bham wrote:

...a good roll cage done by a pro will cost $3,000 and up...

The $500 thing is the #1 area where newcomers just can't wrap their head around.  In just about any competitive event that has rules, those rules are not subjective.  Here they are.  Welcome to Lemons.  The key here is intent.  You certainly can bring a Porsche GT3 race car to a Lemons race and claim that you paid $500 for the car and 27 bazillion for the rest of it.  They'll let you race (within reason) but the penalty laps in the rulebook will be applied and there will be a lifetime of them.  I'm fairly sure that every single person who comes on here can reassures you that you can buy Tetanus' 944 and race is in this series without any problems but you still won't be satisfied.  Here's my suggestion, email one of the Lemons judges eric@24hoursoflemons.com and reference this ad and ask if it's an ok $500 car.  I guarantee he will but I'm sure you'll want to get it directly from the guy who you will be standing in front of with your new 944 and will be the one official person determining if it's a $500 car.

The whole deal with the $500 car was to prevent people from bringing cars outside the intent of the series.  It should speak volumes that it took 10 years for a freaking Porsche to win a Lemons race.  It should also speak volumes about this car in particular that Lemons has 3 classes, A (the Good), B (The Bad) and C (The ugly) and that a car that comes from a company with a long race pedigree like Porsche is not even put into Class A.  Kid, you got nothing to worry about with this car.

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Re: Tetanus Racing 1986 Porsche 944 for sale in Houston, $4,995 (SOLD)

knight1 wrote:

Trailer is in good shape, and should make the trip just fine. It could use replacement of a couple decking boards, but nothing major.

Please note, that there is alot of extra parts & stuff and you would need an additional trailer or Uhaul van to move it.

So, no hope of jamming the parts & stuff into the back of an SUV?

Re: Tetanus Racing 1986 Porsche 944 for sale in Houston, $4,995 (SOLD)

Rust-eze, it would have be a mongo sized SUV, we are talking two spare blocks, multiple heads, cam blocks, torque tube, at least a half-dozen tubs of spare parts, three sets of spare wheels, engine hoist, engine stand, etc., so I am going to go out on a limb here and say no way it would fit.

Re: Tetanus Racing 1986 Porsche 944 for sale in Houston, $4,995 (SOLD)

I have driven this car. It is lots of fun. Well-built. Goes where you ask it to. Lets you know when it doesn't like something BEFORE you are in trouble. This car is part of a multi team conglomeration and for a few races this last year it was the best of the group, reliability wise. And that is a killer price, really. Too low for the car I drove AND parts AND a trailer.

Re: Tetanus Racing 1986 Porsche 944 for sale in Houston, $4,995 (SOLD)

One lucky team will get a great deal on an established car.   Please stop with all the $500 BS..... clearly the car fits within the sprit of the rules and is what makes Lemons a fun place to be.  Carry on friends....

Re: Tetanus Racing 1986 Porsche 944 for sale in Houston, $4,995 (SOLD)

Knight1, sent you an email about this one!

#289 1984 Corvette Z51 (the road goes on forever…)
#111 Tradewinds Tribesmen VW Passat Inde ‘20 (‘21 too) Thunderhill ‘22!
Gone but not forgotten, #427-Hong Kong Cavaliers Benz S500: formerly known as OMG Racing #140
Other foolishness: Finisher of Hell on Wheels (Jaguar) IOE (Humber)

Re: Tetanus Racing 1986 Porsche 944 for sale in Houston, $4,995 (SOLD)

Just what I am looking for. If not taken that is......  pM sent

Re: Tetanus Racing 1986 Porsche 944 for sale in Houston, $4,995 (SOLD)

Getting away form the $500 My @$$!! discussion and back to this SMOKING DEAL FOR A KNOWN Lemons COMPLETE START UP KIT...

A complete, recently run and won car with a complete start up package with trailer, spares, fuel jugs, etc, etc... This seems like a no-brainer to me.

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Re: Tetanus Racing 1986 Porsche 944 for sale in Houston, $4,995 (SOLD)

Well, it does need a new header, and two other important though ancillary items replaced; but yes, considering everything listed, I agree this is a SMOKIN' GOOD DEAL.

Good luck to both seller and buyer.

Re: Tetanus Racing 1986 Porsche 944 for sale in Houston, $4,995 (SOLD)

I am also interested in buying this car, or joining the team of whoever does.  Ive wanted to race in Lemons for a long time but work way too much to build one up myself.

Re: Tetanus Racing 1986 Porsche 944 for sale in Houston, $4,995 (SOLD)

If any of the others fall through or are open to team members,  I am interested in purchasing the lot, chipping in with others, or joining a team.  Awesome deal.

Re: Tetanus Racing 1986 Porsche 944 for sale in Houston, $4,995 (SOLD)

Thanks to all those interested, package is sold.