Topic: Brake system questions

Building an 88 Thunderbird and it currently has a hydroboost brake booster.  I really dislike the poor pedal feel it has when braking hard.  Wondering if any other teams that run Thunderbirds of that era leave the hydroboost and deal with the vague feedback it has or if they swap it out with the vacuum based units from a Mustang.

Re: Brake system questions

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Fairly certain we swapped it out to Mustang on our 88 Thunderbird, along with an adjustable bias valve. Also swapped  most of the brake system over to mustang brakes.

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Probably can do manual brakes and delete it all. math involved though

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5 (edited by gtopat 2024-07-13 07:21 AM)

Re: Brake system questions

Our Thunderbird is/was(?) an 88 Turbo Coupe. We ditched the "hydroboost" in favor of the SVO Mustang master cylinder and a junkyard 5.0 vacuum booster. You can still get the SVO master, ours is cast, but of you search hard enough they made aluminum ones, which may or may not have Bendix cast in the side. Are you still running the turbo 2.3? You'll need a reliable vacuum source for a traditional booster.

I bent up some pre-assembled lines and off-the-shelf fittings to adapt it to the factory TC prop valve. We swapped the brake pedal assembly to the 5.0 stuff too, since we use the cable-actuated clutch, I can't remember if the TC pedal assy was the same (apologies, it was 13 years ago)

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Re: Brake system questions

A lot of Thunderbird enthusiasts from that era swap out the hydroboost for a vacuum-based booster from a Mustang to get a better pedal feel, especially under hard braking. It's a bit of a job, but it usually pays off with more responsive braking.

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I had the same issue with my ‘88 Thunderbird and ended up swapping out the hydroboost for a vacuum booster from a Mustang. It made a huge difference in pedal feel and braking performance.