What can be done to make Lemons more attractive to spectators? (Page 6 of 7)

It's way to expensive, $30 for a spectator?  Most of my family and friends would only want ta stay for a couple hours. $10 would be respectable.

$30 is fine for people who are going to be there for all 3 days.    Most friends who want to stop by and check it out are only going to be there for 1 day or less.    $30 is a lot to come hang out for a few hours.

The day passes must have been more than a few years ago.    I've been doing this since 2011, and i don't remember day passes.

I don't know if it's the same at all tracks, but when we threw a Friday night party at MSR last year, I got the clarification from Nick that Friday-only spectators didn't have to pay anything. If they showed up on Friday and said they were leaving that night, all they had to do was sign the waiver. They paid nothing and didn't get a wristband.

After going to a 'Night of Destruction' at Irwindale speedway, I think A class leaders should have to pull camper trailers for the last hour of the race.

Front wheel drive cars should have to use skid plates.

And finally there should be a crossover point added to the track, similar to a figure eight.

Does SCCA or NASA have any more spectators than Lemons?  Chump, AER, WRL, etc?

Then answer is no, not really.

We all think our hobby is engaging and exciting, but it's about as engaging and exciting to non-participants as any other hobby or pastime is to non-participants.

Your friends (non-car-guys) dont care, your family pretends to care.  Anybody that really cares is already at the track.

The only way to add spectators would be to sell beer or pot (no limit) and increase the level of violence, either in the stands or on the track. Spectators go to events for the same reason Americans celebrate Cinco de Mayo, to get drunk and act like an ass. 'Merica!

Last weekend at the Sacramento car show (We were exhibiting some Lemons cars.) a dad and his three sons dropped by to tell me that they saw the show last year and because of it went to the December race at Sonoma. They then told me how much fun they had watching the start of the race, going to different sections of track to view the race from there, wandering the paddock watching teams try to fix their cars, returning to the stands to watch some more... They told me it was a load of fun and they planned to spectate at Arse-Freeze again in December. Their description of the weekend was oddly very much like what I wrote in a spectator's guide.

I had doodled up this spectator guide the night before. (I've since added the race schedule.) I made 100 copies to hand out and nearly all were gone by the end of the weekend.

Link: http://www.kstreetstudio.com/files/24HO … tating.pdf

Mike

Do it. I've been sharing it widely, figuring the team might get a dinner out of it.

I wanted to but was trying to keep it (the original guide) all on one page, and I had already shrank the margins and font.

Maybe I should go nuts and make a magaziney version.

Or make it on a legal sized paper, two sided, or something you could fold in half....?
Keep up the good work!

Z

I know I'm late to this, but after reading all 6 pages I have to help reinforce the "leave it alone" point.
Seriously.
Leave shit the fuck alone.

We DO NOT need more spectators. AT FUCKING ALL. None of what we are doing matters. No one actually cares. We're not changing the world or revolutionizing racing. None of us are special. Adding idiots and children roaming wild eyed around the pits is an awful idea.

For those of you obsessed with class C, I encourage you to profitably run a race series on class C entries alone. Disposable income is not something that everyone has, and if you make the return on that expenditure too low, people will find other places to spend that money. Lemons has found a niche in providing great door to door racing value. If you want to meddle with that value for the sake of your preferences, you will lose that income. There really truly is a limiting factor in place: tires. Look at lap times accross the board. My stupid car, Cerveza, Eyesore, Southworst, Blowe's, etc. We all run within seconds of each other despite vastly different levels of HP and various chassis. We've created a limit with fuel capacity as well. Balancing HP, fuel burn, and pit stops is what makes a class A win possible. Driving well makes it happen.

Everyone has their own idea of fun. I'd rather work at McDonald's than build/race/deal with a class C car. It holds ZERO interest to me. I show up at the track to put gas in the shitbox, drink beer, and ride mini bikes. The S&S rule has been the single most detrimental thing to happen to Lemons in my mind. You want to have a fun environment to invite friends to? Ghost ride the Jeep. Let the 808 truck patrol the pits. Bring back Dave Montoya on his YZ80. That shit was entertaining. I don't give a fuck what kind of car it is, watching it go around in circles (road courses still start and end in the same spot, so it's a loop) is FUCKING BORING. Have you ever closed your eyes and listened at a race. The exhaust notes are a droning monotonous miserable tone. I really wish we ran at an 89db or lower limit, but I know that'll never fly.

For those of you who constantly evangelize the Lemons thing, I ask you, why? Do you need to be validated? If someone wants to race, they'll inquire.

Good posting