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I've been looking for a drive train to put in my 62 fury for a while. I wanted something unique. I came across this beat up e36 328i manual and knew I had to have it.
The plan now is to shove the e36 engine and trans into the fury.
One of my teammates can theoretically fabricate mounts. Anyone know what they roughly should look like?
Any advice/tips/suggestions/warnings?
Thanks
The plan now is to shove the e36 engine and trans into the fury.
I'm confused.....where is this bad idea you spoke of....?
sdiglesias wrote:The plan now is to shove the e36 engine and trans into the fury.
I'm confused.....where is this bad idea you spoke of....?
Not bad in Lemons terms, bad in rational terms
Do not put the BMW engine in that 1962 Fury. Put a straight 8 in it.
I've been looking for a drive train to put in my 62 fury for a while. I wanted something unique. I came across this beat up e36 328i manual and knew I had to have it.
The plan now is to shove the e36 engine and trans into the fury.
One of my teammates can theoretically fabricate mounts. Anyone know what they roughly should look like?
Any advice/tips/suggestions/warnings?
Thanks
Depends on what the factory brackets look like, we lucked out with our swap as the factory brackets are almost 90 degrees to the block. I sat the engine and trans in place on jacks and welded brackets to the cross member. Ended up using trans mounts for an AMC something between the brackets and chassis.
Your results may vary but the basic process is the same.
Nice. That makes it look very doable.
It looks like the engine mount brackets on each side extend to the bottom of the engine. Hopefully it's not too difficult to make a bracket to the k member.
Why not take two BMW sixes and join them crank-to-crank to make a straight-twelve? Plenty of drag racers in the 1950s raced with engines joined that way and it worked fine (as far as you know).
Why not take two BMW sixes and join them crank-to-crank to make a straight-twelve? Plenty of drag racers in the 1950s raced with engines joined that way and it worked fine (as far as you know).
Hell yeah, it takes just two sprockets and a double roller chain (extra points if you can get a timing chain to work). Now where am I going to get I-6 engines? I have one in the white car, what was in the red one...
You don't chain the two engines together. You just make a flange that joins the cranks end-to-end.
You don't chain the two engines together. You just make a flange that joins the cranks end-to-end.
Or you could just weld the cranks together.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM0wN0zRhgk
Looks like Jag driveline parts. Now where can I find those...
I apologize for the hijacking, here are some motor mounts. Use 3/16" or 1/4" and make sure they are welded 100%. Save everything from BMW until Mopar is running.
How about the transmission? Anyone know the relative mounting points of a BMW 5 speed and an early b body?
Not familiar with B-bodies specifically, but it should be similar to an A-body. One transmission mount under the tailshaft housing, which sits on a removable crossmember, which bolts to the frame. The crossmember looks like this:
The trans mount fits down into the hole in the center and has 1 or 2 studs that stick through with nuts on the other side.
I've got one of those. I was wondering what that was
I'm trying to figure out how to do the fuel system. I got one of the fuel cells from the Lemons store. Looks like the e36 used an in-tank fuel pump expecting 51 psi.
Is it possible to mount a comparable pump in the fuel cell?
I've been looking at electric external pumps. This came up as relatively cheap on summit, but it's 120 psi. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/atx-e8248/overview/ Would that work?
I'm trying to figure out how to do the fuel system. I got one of the fuel cells from the Lemons store. Looks like the e36 used an in-tank fuel pump expecting 51 psi.
Is it possible to mount a comparable pump in the fuel cell?
I've been looking at electric external pumps. This came up as relatively cheap on summit, but it's 120 psi. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/atx-e8248/overview/ Would that work?
Yes, it's possible. In cell pumps tend to work better (IME) as fuel pumps really don't like to lift, just push. But you could be fine so long as you can locate the pump at or below the bottom level of the fuel cell so that it's not really having to lift.
With fuel cells, then you get into issues of how to get all the fuel out of the cell. Holley has recently announced (and today announced it will ship) a product called the Hydramat (Hydromat?) that they say will drink the cell to the last drop. Having tried many other solutions on our fuel cell on the MR2, I'm giving the Holley product a try.
using one of these:
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sdiglesias wrote:I'm trying to figure out how to do the fuel system. I got one of the fuel cells from the Lemons store. Looks like the e36 used an in-tank fuel pump expecting 51 psi.
Is it possible to mount a comparable pump in the fuel cell?
I've been looking at electric external pumps. This came up as relatively cheap on summit, but it's 120 psi. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/atx-e8248/overview/ Would that work?
Yes, it's possible. In cell pumps tend to work better (IME) as fuel pumps really don't like to lift, just push. But you could be fine so long as you can locate the pump at or below the bottom level of the fuel cell so that it's not really having to lift.
With fuel cells, then you get into issues of how to get all the fuel out of the cell. Holley has recently announced (and today announced it will ship) a product called the Hydramat (Hydromat?) that they say will drink the cell to the last drop. Having tried many other solutions on our fuel cell on the MR2, I'm giving the Holley product a try.
I'm not super concerned with getting all the fuel out, since I'm aiming for class C. Is there a certain mounting that works with the ATL cells, or is it pretty generic? Any recommendations?
God will punish you. You've crossed the line, mister!
With the M52, this will probably be the fastest NSF car ever
I love the field-abandoned exhaust tubing and muffler in that photo.
With regard to cell mounting, wait until you get the cell so you can measure it, then start googling fuel cell mounting on this forum. There are a lot of photos of how other teams have mounted them and passed tech. Basically, you'll build a separate cage to hold the cell, and then that cage mounts to the car in the trunk area. There are some very specific rules requirements that you have to follow when using a fuel cell, so make sure to read and follow those rules so that you pass tech.
My handy hint on all of this is to let somebody else make the stainless-braided lines that you will need. I've found it difficult to get those lines leakproof if I try to make them myself, and there are lots of line-building services out there that don't charge a lot to make them to your specification. On the pressure side, I always have somebody else build those now, that's not the place to cheap out and suffer a small leak that will get you kicked out of the race.
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