[ Closed ] Banned for life? (Page 6 of 7)

I don't even care about the donuts... E36 M3 in Lemons is complete horseshite.

Wow.

Just wow.

Tell you what,  if you can think of a thousand terrible things that could have happened with a very experienced (20 years) and proven (35ish Lemons races) racer doing a one wheel peel in a vehicle where the fender nearly touches the ground, traveling in a straight line at the pace of a very slow walk, you should really avoid auto racing altogether. After all,  you could probably avoid a hundred million terrible things that could happen that way (based on your math and logic).

All hooning is not equal, especially from a safety standpoint.
Some drivers are more proven/trusted then others.
An E36 M3 is not even remotely in the spirit of the series. No offense intended to the team---that's just the reality of Lemons.

I got a chuckle out of the donuts too, and I was judging at Sonoma. Hooning IS entertaining. That said, a random car spinning in circles after a race DOES present a concern for Jay, and I fully expected him to address it. If I had done those donuts at the end of Sonoma, I would have been chewed out too.

you're getting awfully defensive for someone who thinks they're in the right. And completely missing the point I made. Ignoring the subject of whether or not the plane burnout was safe (because it's clear we won't agree and it's not worth continuing that fight), there is the larger issue which you yourself brought up. And that is other cars joining in thinking it's ok to do. What if the next car behind you had thought it was ok, but didn't really know what they were doing and had accidentally launched into the people lining pit out?

To be clear, I've got nothing against celebrating. I thought the donuts were funny and harmless for the most part. And you can be damn sure i'm sympathetic to teams fielding terrible or weird cars wanting to celebrate making it to the end. But I clearly disagree on what is the right way to do that.

anyway, that's enough of my energy into the fight. Hit back, ignore me, I don't care. I've said my piece.

I'm not missing anything.

Maybe the countless thousands of hours I've personally spent building unusual cars to make the series more interesting and entertaining has earned me a little leeway. Maybe the 5 years of mostly very fast and clean racing has earned me a little leeway. Maybe no leeway was granted at all, and the powers that be recognized my smokeshow for what it was---a one-time celebration of a fairly epic achievement in a safe and controlled manner. The cars behind me at CMP had enough sense to recognize that the plane built solely for spectator entertainment was doing just that, and not follow suit.

Hooning is hella-butt-ass entertaining. That's why we're all here. If you can't differentiate between a safe, controlled burnout by a well-known competent driver, and a car that had already caused issues spinning in circles, too bad. FWIW, I'm glad it was sorted and there was no lifetime ban.

Now we're talking!  If this theme gets done well Mr. Donut might be invited back for a post-race donut show in the spring!

This:

is good.  Add a Donut Robot Mark II - "capacity approximately 37 dozen donuts per hour":

and you're golden - deliciously deep-fried!

I look forward to meeting our new robot masters at Sonoma in March!

(lemony glaze, please, on blueberry cake)!

(and, thinking outside the box, bacon with maple glaze)!

DO IT and DOMINATE!

okay I wasn't there so I can say much about who was driving like a d!ck and when.....  Is an E36 M3 cheaty.....well the vast majority seems to think so...

Is Jay's ruling fair............thats a super easy answer "THAT'S UP TO JAY TO DECIDE"  Its his race, don't like it...go start your own (its in the rules somewhere)

However I see a bright future for this M3..............gotta roll the donut's into a theme........complete with HUGE donut on the roof and a REAL donut maker in the back, for slowly cruising the paddock (stationary is probably best) and giving out free donuts to all takers.....  I would pit next to Caffeine and have coffee and donuts together.....shoot even a real donut machine towed by the car only for inspection is still cool and every one loves free donuts....but which to you prefer....the kind you can eat, or the kind demonstrated before......

I forsee much domination for this M3's future

I'm partial to Krispy Kreme but a Dunkin theme would suit as well. If that car does not have a chocolately glaze paint job WITH sprinkles in March at Sonoma, I'm going to be majorly disappointed. And if you have any doubts on your redemption, a few dozen from the Krispy Kreme in Concord would likely seal the deal (hint hint).

How many penalty laps did this car get, that it still finished 9th overall?

KT

You seriously want to perpetuate making a mountain out of a molehill, for the sake of argument?

Okay, I'll bite once more. Say my all-new brakes (calipers/pads/hoses/discs) suddenly and miraculously completely failed, while spinning one chronically gripless all-season 14" rear tire. Keep in mind, in my 20 years of drag racing burnouts (both racing and spectating, easily FIFTY THOUSAND or so), I've never seen that, but we'll say it somehow happened. I'm pointing a soft aluminum cone directly at the car in front of me. Only real damage would be my Cessna nose and my pride---IF I didn't yank the functional hand e-brake quickly enough. This applies to sudden grip/launch as well, although the laws of physics dictate that such a thing would be impossible (vehicle size/forward weight distribution/coarse road surface/tiny contact patch/high treadwear compound/open differential).

Throttle sticking? Please. Kill switch AND ignition key right at my fingertips.

Tire shredding/rocks kicked? I don't think so. My fenders almost touch the ground.
Exhibit A:

Spectators didn't appear to feel threatened. This guy followed closely with his camera:
Exhibit B - 3:35 mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRizBpvagm4

Engine seizing/throwing a rod? SERIOUSLY???
Did you consider that almost every Lemons racer revs their engine coming off track, or the fact that my mid-engined 4 cylinder has numerous layers of steel and aluminum between it and the spectators in a chassis that sits low to the ground? You'd back away? Really? There are several seemingly nervous/cowardly types here---kinda shocking for purported hoons.

Somebody better ban Matt Farah for life too----his two big, sticky tires here could have kicked far more stuff up!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nee3aNTDNL8

As far as my "dumb" stunts and anything in the pipeline, why even ask about something if I have already stated I am legally prevented from discussing it?

For those not skurred of tire smoke emanating FROM A FREAKING AIRPLANE, thanks for the support, both here and by email.

I don't have a dog in the fight, and I'm not a physicist, so maybe one of the resident scientists would do the math.
I'm just looking at this from a seat of the pants perspective.
Speedy was doing  maybe 3 miles per hour during the brake stand.
IF the brakes failed, and the throttle stuck, and the airplane fell off the chassis, the car might accelerate to ten miles an hour before Speedy had time to turn off the ignition, hit the kill switch, yank the hand brake, pull the fire extinguishers, deploy the drag chutes, and stick a leg out and drag his foot...
A ton or so just isn't going to accelerate very quickly with an open diff and one tire ablaze.
Certainly doesn't have the same momentum as an E36 going 30 mph...

Beer actually did  come out my nose...  And that stings!

Glad someone finally got this thread back on track though.

~Van