Re: Which themes have been done to death?

There has been one Weiner Mobile, so not exactly done to death.  I actually thought about turning a car into a house the other day, for Lemons, but got bogged down by the attic staircase/ fuel cell matrix.

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Re: Which themes have been done to death?

Jim ID'd a bunch but he missed a few...

Crab Spirits wrote:

-Wienermobile

Done once from a Corolla FX16, but why not again?

Crab Spirits wrote:

-Any car from Death Race 2000

Dallas team did the one with all the spikes down the middle, made out of a Lincoln Mk.8.

Crab Spirits wrote:

-Space shuttle

Done well with an LTD in Colorado

Crab Spirits wrote:

-Miata aircraft carrier with model planes on flight deck

2 aircraft carriers I can recall, one was an LTD and I think the other may have actually been a Miata.

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Re: Which themes have been done to death?

So, John Player Special (or a facsimile there of) has not been overused?

Re: Which themes have been done to death?

It better have four front wheels, and I don't mean gluing the second set on.

Re: Which themes have been done to death?

Hmmm, as far as I know, the Tyrrel six wheelers were never in the JPS livery.  Just the Elf livery.  Am I wrong?

Re: Which themes have been done to death?

cpchampion wrote:

Jim ID'd a bunch but he missed a few...

Crab Spirits wrote:

-Miata aircraft carrier with model planes on flight deck

2 aircraft carriers I can recall, one was an LTD and I think the other may have actually been a Miata.

There was actually an aircraft carrier at the 2010 race in Chicago. It was a Cadillac painted like the Nimitz:

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Re: Which themes have been done to death?

You're not, but I think the point is that the only way to do the JPS theme now is to make sure you go to extraordinary lengths to include more than just some paint and vinyl.

For example, a JPS fan car - though historically inaccurate - would probably gain a lot of positive attention.  A JPS CRX will gain very little.

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Re: Which themes have been done to death?

No way man, if I'm going to do a JPS themed car, it's going to be historically accurate!

I'm joking of course.

Man, a sucker car would be very impressive, especially if there were actually two motors in it, (one for drive, one for the fans) like the Chaparrel above.  Huge bonus if it actually sucked (provided downforce) - not sucked like normal.

Re: Which themes have been done to death?

*lol*  I think the idea of a pull-cord leaf blower motor or similar has been done before for other purposes - ghetto turbocharger, perhaps?  But you might have to go to a snowmobile motor to achieve the sort of suction necessary to provide these downforce/ground effects....

The plastic fringe should be easy to do.

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Re: Which themes have been done to death?

The origional Chaparrel had a 45 hp fan

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Re: Which themes have been done to death?

yeah chaparral sucker motor was a snowmobile engine. I bet it'd be more reliable with a small aircraft engine though, those are designed for long runs at a set rpm

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Re: Which themes have been done to death?

If a person did a Lemons Sucker they should consider having the throttle of the sucker motor hooked up to the breaks as the harder you pushed the more it would suck. On the fast sections however you would have minimal to no suction which is exactly as one would hope.

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Re: Which themes have been done to death?

dsycks wrote:

If a person did a Lemons Sucker they should consider having the throttle of the sucker motor hooked up to the breaks as the harder you pushed the more it would suck. On the fast sections however you would have minimal to no suction which is exactly as one would hope.

I like it, but the sucker still needs to be at full song after the apexes while the driver is accelerating out of the turns.

On a similar note, has anyone ever done a Chaparral 2E style wing connected straight to the suspension?  A few well positioned holes through the car should get the uprights in the right locations.  Even though it would be nearly useless at Lemons speeds, done right it would be really cool.  It would probably be easiest on a double wishbone suspension with the uprights connected to the upper control arms.

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Re: Which themes have been done to death?

Jeff G 78 wrote:

Even though it would be nearly useless at Lemons speeds, done right it would be really cool.

Naw... Adjust wing size to the amount of downforce needed at given speed.

If you fear too much drag at other areas on the track simply go for some servo adjusted variable geometry. The solution need not be pretty or even elegant as this is of course Lemons.

Daniel Sycks

Re: Which themes have been done to death?

dsycks wrote:
Jeff G 78 wrote:

Even though it would be nearly useless at Lemons speeds, done right it would be really cool.

Naw... Adjust wing size to the amount of downforce needed at given speed.

If you fear too much drag at other areas on the track simply go for some servo adjusted variable geometry. The solution need not be pretty or even elegant as this is of course Lemons.

Been done....  http://www.perpetualdownforce.com/

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Re: Which themes have been done to death?

Hmmm, as far as I know, the Tyrrel six wheelers were never in the JPS livery.  Just the Elf livery.  Am I wrong?

Doh! You're right. The '70s seem so long ago...

Re: Which themes have been done to death?

zebrabeefj40 wrote:

Been done....  http://www.perpetualdownforce.com/

I could be wrong, but I thought the Our Lady of Perpetual Downforce wing is bolted to the body.  The Chaparral wing was unique because it was only attached to the suspension.  Rather than loading up the springs and pushing the body down due to downforce, the 2E wing put the force exactly where it was needed.

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Re: Which themes have been done to death?

I was actually pondering how it could be done in the front and it hit me that a pivot and levers may actually work to do the same thing while allowing serviceable packaging.

Having the force go right to the wheels was a plus as it did not overload the springs so the suspension worked better. I would want to do it more for the ability to have an air brake as anything else. It would be cool to hoist a big sail at the end of a straight and help save some pads while pressing the car down into the track to help turn in.

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Re: Which themes have been done to death?

Daniel, have you read up on the 2E?  The car was an automatic so that the driver could operate a third pedal which controlled the wing.  When the driver pushed down the "clutch" pedal on the straights, the wing flattened out, reducing drag.  This same idea could work for a crapcan racer.  The giant wing could be used for both braking and cornering.  The problem is that it takes a skilled driver to forget everything he knows about controls and push the "clutch" pedal on the straights.  I'd forget what to do and have that wing flapping up and down constantly.  smile

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Re: Which themes have been done to death?

I would want to find some way to a) automate it and b) make it so it could be ripped off easily so it would not hurt performance when it failed.

A I think would be easy enough as something as simple as a little G switch that would engage when enough deceleration was detected and let off a set amount of time after a given level of decel was dropped below.

I would love to tinker with something of the sort and think I may actually be able to pull it off but it would mean I would need the car in the garage behind the house so I could fiddle with it in free moments and not have to make special trips. As such its not going to happen any time soon.

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Re: Which themes have been done to death?

I think it was the perpetual downforce guys who tried a sucker before.  It didn't pass tech though.  Something about the motorcycle engine they had spitting gas all over ther place our of the carb.  This was a few years back and tech has become a bit more tough since then, so I would actually look at an electric motor instead of gas to give it the best chance of getting on the track.

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Re: Which themes have been done to death?

Jeff G 78 wrote:
zebrabeefj40 wrote:

Been done....  http://www.perpetualdownforce.com/

I could be wrong, but I thought the Our Lady of Perpetual Downforce wing is bolted to the body.  The Chaparral wing was unique because it was only attached to the suspension.  Rather than loading up the springs and pushing the body down due to downforce, the 2E wing put the force exactly where it was needed.

You are right that the Chaparral wing was right to the suspension.  I was refering more to the movable part of dsykes post.

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Re: Which themes have been done to death?

dsycks wrote:

I would want to find some way to a) automate it and b) make it so it could be ripped off easily so it would not hurt performance when it failed.

A I think would be easy enough as something as simple as a little G switch that would engage when enough deceleration was detected and let off a set amount of time after a given level of decel was dropped below.

I would love to tinker with something of the sort and think I may actually be able to pull it off but it would mean I would need the car in the garage behind the house so I could fiddle with it in free moments and not have to make special trips. As such its not going to happen any time soon.

I had suggested to another team a few years ago to use air cylinders.  As the drag built up on the wing it would compress the air in the cylinder/tank combo and flatten out the wing at speed.  I happen to have a pile of air cylinders...and a compressor from a yank tank with rear air ride.  I can make you good deal on the parts.

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Re: Which themes have been done to death?

Skid Marks did something like this for Autobahn.

The car at speed:
http://www.murileemartin.com/UG/LIL11/LIL11-UG-0846.jpg

Sitting in the pits without the brake being applied:
http://www.murileemartin.com/UG/LIL11/LIL11-UG-0882.jpg

And with your foot on the middle pedal:
http://www.murileemartin.com/UG/LIL11/LIL11-UG-0881.jpg

I asked one of them if they noticed a difference.  He said he could definitely drive it deeper into the corner.

On race day they used orange tape to leave a message on the underside of the wing.  If you can find Racing 4 Nickels' video footage, you'll see it go by a few times.  It was a bit odd seeing it flap up and down as the driver modulated the brake pedal.  Of course, on race day I barely noticed.

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Re: Which themes have been done to death?

Nice reuse of of a headlight motor system!

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