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Ok so I think I'm moving forward with goldwing power. I *think* it Should fit between shock towers. If anyone has a 1500 laying around that they can get me exact dimensions that would be fantastic. Waiting to hear back from some Craigslisters.
Excelent Choice!
Unfortunately I ride a GL1100 so I can't get you measurements on the 2 wheel accord style engine.
But if all else fails, there's always the back seat!
Think it's close to the same mesuerments but with 2 more cylinders? Or is the 1500 a totally different animal? Im wanting to hear back from a guy in Tuscon about one he's got for sale.
I really wanna say it's wider. May just be all the Fairing around it. But even on a Valkyrie it sure seems wider.
Perhaps a fallback engine is needed, in case the goldwing motor doesn't work out?
Mitsubishi Astron 4G54/G54B - 2.6 L inline four. Bonus: the cylinder heads have hemispherical combustion chambers, so you can slap HEMI decals all over your ride.
Has the obvious been missed?
84 tempo diesel subframe/driveline in the trunk..
Perhaps a fallback engine is needed, in case the goldwing motor doesn't work out?
Mitsubishi Astron 4G54/G54B - 2.6 L inline four. Bonus: the cylinder heads have hemispherical combustion chambers, so you can slap HEMI decals all over your ride.
Fallback engine is a great idea. But 4g546g blah blah blah. I know not of what you speak. I come from German car roots.
I think I should add alittle criteria. Let's say. Must be stick. Engine and transmission should be readily available. Pre efi. And available from one donner vehicle. If not readily available then reliable/ rebuild able. Also I think it should go up front. I don't want to have to fuel cell it.
Contrary to what I said has anyone run a chain drive bike engine in the truck spinning a gear bolted to the input of the diff?
You owe it to yourself to read some of this
Personally, i think making it fwd, aircooled and French would all go a long way towards pissing off the bimmer fanboys and getting the Lemons Supreme Court Seal of Approval
Contrary to what I said has anyone run a chain drive bike engine in the truck spinning a gear bolted to the input of the diff?
Chain drive from the back? Boy have they!
https://blog.caranddriver.com/how-to-ge … oyota-mr2/
You owe it to yourself to read some of this
Thanks! That was some exilent reading. Confirmed my suspicions that chain drive is not the way to go. But I never even considered which direction the goldwing shaft drive spun.
So as a backup plan I may have an om617 car available to me at a very low cost. Only 380k miles with a matching auto. Manual trans options are very limited. Also might be too solid for class c. Class b?
It's easy. what side is the final drive located. if it's on the right side of the bike it turns Counter Clockwise like most engines including the BMW M52 in the E46 does.
If it's on the left like a Shadow then it turns clockwise.
This is as looking into the engine along the drive shaft. (the "Prop" end as they say with planes)
RandolphCarter wrote:Perhaps a fallback engine is needed, in case the goldwing motor doesn't work out?
Mitsubishi Astron 4G54/G54B - 2.6 L inline four. Bonus: the cylinder heads have hemispherical combustion chambers, so you can slap HEMI decals all over your ride.
Fallback engine is a great idea. But 4g546g blah blah blah. I know not of what you speak. I come from German car roots.
2.6 liter inline 4 engine used in various Mitsubishi models from 1978 to 1997 and Chrysler K-cars and their derivatives between 1981 and 1987.
Used in RWD, FWD, and AWD setups.
1978-1980 Plymouth Fire Arrow
1978-1983 Dodge Challenger/Mitsubishi Sapporo/Plymouth Sapporo
1978-1986 Mitsubishi Debonair
1979-1989 Dodge Ram 50
1980-1987 Chrysler/Mitsubishi Sigma
1981-1985 Dodge Aries/Plymouth Reliant
1982-1985 Chrysler LeBaron
1982-1985 [[Chrysler Town and Country (pre-1990)|Chrysler Town and Country]]
1982-1991 Mitsubishi Pajero
1982-1983 Dodge 400
1982-1990 Mitsubishi Starion (turbocharger and fuel injection)
1983-1984 Chrysler E-Class
1983-1985 Chrysler New Yorker/Dodge 600
1984-1987 Dodge Caravan/Plymouth Voyager
1984-1986 Dodge Conquest/Plymouth Conquest (turbocharger and fuel injection)
1985 Plymouth Caravelle
1985-1996 Mitsubishi Magna (1985-1996 TM-TS series carburetor; 1987-1996 TP-TS series fuel injection)
1986-1989 Mazda B2600
1987-1989 Chrysler Conquest (turbocharger and fuel injection)
1987-1989 Dodge Raider
I suspect that using any K car drivetrain will go a loooooong way to ensuring class C entry.
Sexy jesus wrote:RandolphCarter wrote:Perhaps a fallback engine is needed, in case the goldwing motor doesn't work out?
Mitsubishi Astron 4G54/G54B - 2.6 L inline four. Bonus: the cylinder heads have hemispherical combustion chambers, so you can slap HEMI decals all over your ride.
Fallback engine is a great idea. But 4g546g blah blah blah. I know not of what you speak. I come from German car roots.
2.6 liter inline 4 engine used in various Mitsubishi models from 1978 to 1997 and Chrysler K-cars and their derivatives between 1981 and 1987.
Used in RWD, FWD, and AWD setups.
1978-1980 Plymouth Fire Arrow
1978-1983 Dodge Challenger/Mitsubishi Sapporo/Plymouth Sapporo
1978-1986 Mitsubishi Debonair
1979-1989 Dodge Ram 50
1980-1987 Chrysler/Mitsubishi Sigma
1981-1985 Dodge Aries/Plymouth Reliant
1982-1985 Chrysler LeBaron
1982-1985 [[Chrysler Town and Country (pre-1990)|Chrysler Town and Country]]
1982-1991 Mitsubishi Pajero
1982-1983 Dodge 400
1982-1990 Mitsubishi Starion (turbocharger and fuel injection)
1983-1984 Chrysler E-Class
1983-1985 Chrysler New Yorker/Dodge 600
1984-1987 Dodge Caravan/Plymouth Voyager
1984-1986 Dodge Conquest/Plymouth Conquest (turbocharger and fuel injection)
1985 Plymouth Caravelle
1985-1996 Mitsubishi Magna (1985-1996 TM-TS series carburetor; 1987-1996 TP-TS series fuel injection)
1986-1989 Mazda B2600
1987-1989 Chrysler Conquest (turbocharger and fuel injection)
1987-1989 Dodge RaiderI suspect that using any K car drivetrain will go a loooooong way to ensuring class C entry.
Ok good info. What are the rear drive manual trans options?
It's easy. what side is the final drive located. if it's on the right side of the bike it turns Counter Clockwise like most engines including the BMW M52 in the E46 does.
If it's on the left like a Shadow then it turns clockwise.
This is as looking into the engine along the drive shaft. (the "Prop" end as they say with planes)
If this always holds true then I should be ok. The goldwing drive is on the right side.
Detroit diesel.
This. A 2-53 would fit with some hood mods I bet. I see them for sale attached to irrigation pumps fairly often. They use a standard SAE bell housing pattern, and there are adapters available to go from that to a chevy pattern. Put a SM465 behind it for maximum agricultural feel. You'll blow the budget but it will be so glorious I doubt the judges will care.
Here's a 3-53 in a truck, to give you an idea of the size. 2-53 is the same with one less cylinder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG2z5PJhaI4
Guildenstern wrote:It's easy. what side is the final drive located. if it's on the right side of the bike it turns Counter Clockwise like most engines including the BMW M52 in the E46 does.
If it's on the left like a Shadow then it turns clockwise.
This is as looking into the engine along the drive shaft. (the "Prop" end as they say with planes)
If this always holds true then I should be ok. The goldwing drive is on the right side.
It kind of has to hold true. The final is a 90 degree bevel gear so unless they put the pinion on the far side of the drive like a crazy person, the enmeshing teeth have to move “downward” to make the rear wheel turn forward.
Im sure there’s also some engineering reason you want the load going “downward” on the “ring gear” but I dono why.
Yeah totally makes sense. I had like 4 leads on 1500s but they all dryed up. So the search will continue
DirtyDuc wrote:Detroit diesel.
This. A 2-53 would fit with some hood mods I bet. I see them for sale attached to irrigation pumps fairly often. They use a standard SAE bell housing pattern, and there are adapters available to go from that to a chevy pattern. Put a SM465 behind it for maximum agricultural feel. You'll blow the budget but it will be so glorious I doubt the judges will care.
Here's a 3-53 in a truck, to give you an idea of the size. 2-53 is the same with one less cylinder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG2z5PJhaI4
I don't think I'm man enough. The nice thing is the e46 will fit just about anything I could dream up to throw under the hood. But Budget is a concern. This is race car number 2 for Me.
Run a Jag 4.0l with the "Co-Pilot" engine mounts. As far as getting into Class C, 60% of the time, it works every time.
Firewalls not included. Hearing protection must be worn during use. No Jaguars were harmed during production.
Keep it BMW: M21 2.4l I6 Turbo Diesel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M21
Slant 6 was mentioned earlier in the thread. I don't know of an easy Jeep 5-speed swap; unfortunately the Slant is a unique bell housing pattern. They came with 4-speeds, but getting one with good race gears might be tricky or expensive. After looking into this for a while, I decided to keep the 3-speed auto with some tweaks to shift behavior.
Also, since a Slant 6 E30 has already been done (with a pushbutton automatic), putting one in an E46 might not get you many points. (That car was sadly retired a couple years ago due to body rot; the owner now races a 4-speed Valiant.)
Mercedes turbodiesel would be a different flavor of sacrilege and very likely Class C without being a total dog. Toyota 1UZ V8s are pretty cheap if you wanna go faster. It probably wouldn't be Class C, but Judge Phil would be amused.
I'm sure there are plenty of VW diesel's available for cheap.
A quick search found this Lemons worthy beauty: https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/ … 75363.html
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