Re: Keep it a 2.2 4-pot?...

You will all be happy to know that Bettie will keep all her original glass, wiper, mirrors and such.

She's just getting a little power. And a 5 speed. And better brakes. And some new gauges. And maybe a new radio ..... the factory one is stuck on AM. All u get on AM in Texas is Glen Beck and Aggie baseball games..... oh, and some creamy pleather Jetta seats for the highway stints.....

I'm probably gonna do close to 4000 highway miles and 2 races in it. I'm not gonna suffer over a few pounds....

II still need 1 driver for buttonwillow if anyone is interested......

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Re: Keep it a 2.2 4-pot?...

I'm interested for Buttonwillow. I wouldn't be able to get to the track until Friday evening - I'm returning from a business trip that day - but I could work on the car in SoCal on the weekend of June 22 if necessary. I know Mopar stuff pretty well and have tools/service manuals. I have many laps in at Buttonwillow in my team's neon.

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Re: Keep it a 2.2 4-pot?...

I still haven't gotten clearance from work, but might be in for Buttonwillow. Will know on Thursday or Friday.

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Re: Keep it a 2.2 4-pot?...

I submitted my request for Sophie... Check your email. Sophie sez *"Obi-wan you're my only hope!"*

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Re: Keep it a 2.2 4-pot?...

keep the 4 cylinder. the V6 sucks. Grab a turbo motor and enjoy what constant boost can do.

I've got a spare TII ECU i can donate to the cause.


Hell, i've got random bits all over the place I can dontate. Just ask.

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31 (edited by psychoboy 2013-05-14 05:51 AM)

Re: Keep it a 2.2 4-pot?...

too late. watching brandon's and steven's facebook posts,  the 4 pot is out and the donor 6 is well on its way to being in.

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Re: Keep it a 2.2 4-pot?...

I like the direction this is going. A swap like this is all about the love (and cheater-aide) while it's going in. I am assuming it's from the 6G family of Mitsubishi V6's and it appears some loving dudes are doing it.

Can someone do the timing belt maybe, perchance, while it's out - if there's room in the budget? Beg, plead....

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Re: Keep it a 2.2 4-pot?...

Gah. That old timing belt must feel like at home in there, keep it in. Live dangerously, enjoy every moment.

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Re: Keep it a 2.2 4-pot?...

TheEngineer wrote:

keep the 4 cylinder. the V6 sucks. Grab a turbo motor and enjoy what constant boost can do.

I've got a spare TII ECU i can donate to the cause.


Hell, i've got random bits all over the place I can dontate. Just ask.

That's usually what happens when I see what boost can do...

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Re: Keep it a 2.2 4-pot?...

Is that a power steering pump and other random unnecessary crappolah on that motor?....

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Re: Keep it a 2.2 4-pot?...

firegremlin wrote:

Is that a power steering pump and other random unnecessary crappolah on that motor?....

Wellll - the donor motor came out of Frank the Tank's old Lemons Whip.   

That team is kinda girly.  big_smile

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Re: Keep it a 2.2 4-pot?...

Team Sensory Assault wrote:
firegremlin wrote:

Is that a power steering pump and other random unnecessary crappolah on that motor?....

Wellll - the donor motor came out of Frank the Tank's old Lemons Whip.   

That team is kinda girly.  big_smile

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Re: Keep it a 2.2 4-pot?...

firegremlin wrote:

Is that a power steering pump and other random unnecessary crappolah on that motor?....

So power steering no, but idle air control and O2 sensors yes....

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41 (edited by firegremlin 2013-05-14 07:10 PM)

Re: Keep it a 2.2 4-pot?...

frankdtank00 wrote:
firegremlin wrote:

Is that a power steering pump and other random unnecessary crappolah on that motor?....

So power steering no, but idle air control and O2 sensors yes....

Oh, hell yeah. I have plenty of muscle to turn tough steering wheels (I daily-drive an LT1 Roadmaster with an unboosted 2.5 ratio Impala SS steering box), but I can't telepathically convince the computer to adjust fuel mixture on the highway. Nor can I convince it to adjust idle according to outside air temperature, elevation, and engine temperature, all of which will vary a LOT during my drive over the Rockies, for example.

Besides, contrary to popular belief, driveability aids like o2 sensors and IAC help A LOT on the track. I'm never ripping mine out ever again. You spend a lot of time idling or cruising along, surprisingly (like, braking, yellows, sitting in a cloud of dust after a spinout, etc).

A working 02 sensor will keep the ECU from running pig-rich. This saves you some gas, but more importantly it'll keep said gas out of your oil. Gas in oil = higher chance of engine block becoming a cupholder.

Finally, a non-working IAC coupled with a loose battery clamp or any other problem that'd prevent you from restarting after a stall can mean a difference between driving in for a black flag after a crash/spinout, and getting towed in.

I know everyone likes the simplicity and the appeal of rough-running "race motor" that has nothing but bare essentials, but you're not really gaining any significant advantages in terms of clutter control, and the disadvantages are plenty.

Damn, I sound like my mother.

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Wait till you go over the mountains.  You'll be rich like crazy.

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Re: Keep it a 2.2 4-pot?...

Sounds like someone needs a turbo for dem mountains. 

How do you change the needle valve in an IAC?  Can I get a rebuild kit for that ECU?

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Re: Keep it a 2.2 4-pot?...

firegremlin wrote:
frankdtank00 wrote:
firegremlin wrote:

Is that a power steering pump and other random unnecessary crappolah on that motor?....

So power steering no, but idle air control and O2 sensors yes....

Oh, hell yeah. I have plenty of muscle to turn tough steering wheels (I daily-drive an LT1 Roadmaster with an unboosted 2.5 ratio Impala SS steering box), but I can't telepathically convince the computer to adjust fuel mixture on the highway. Nor can I convince it to adjust idle according to outside air temperature, elevation, and engine temperature, all of which will vary a LOT during my drive over the Rockies, for example.

Besides, contrary to popular belief, driveability aids like o2 sensors and IAC help A LOT on the track. I'm never ripping mine out ever again. You spend a lot of time idling or cruising along, surprisingly (like, braking, yellows, sitting in a cloud of dust after a spinout, etc).

A working 02 sensor will keep the ECU from running pig-rich. This saves you some gas, but more importantly it'll keep said gas out of your oil. Gas in oil = higher chance of engine block becoming a cupholder.

Finally, a non-working IAC coupled with a loose battery clamp or any other problem that'd prevent you from restarting after a stall can mean a difference between driving in for a black flag after a crash/spinout, and getting towed in.

I know everyone likes the simplicity and the appeal of rough-running "race motor" that has nothing but bare essentials, but you're not really gaining any significant advantages in terms of clutter control, and the disadvantages are plenty.

Damn, I sound like my mother.


This!  On our RX7, we have all fo the stock controls on the car.  The only thing we don't have is some of the emmissions items.  It is a lot better burning 5.8 GPH than 7 GPH!  Idleing is a good ability to have also!

Who needs power steering?

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Re: Keep it a 2.2 4-pot?...

^^^ Try 12 GPH in the FD.  hmm

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Re: Keep it a 2.2 4-pot?...

No one needs power steering.



also, 12GPH?! holy hell. I thought the 5GPH we were burning was bad....

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47 (edited by psychoboy 2013-05-15 07:14 AM)

Re: Keep it a 2.2 4-pot?...

properly sorted power steering only comes in handy in parking lots. once the car has any useful speed, assist just makes the steering feel sloppy.

and, because someone always responds with the fact that "major league race cars (notably f1) have power steering" when i make the above comment online....

F1 cars have power steering. they also have gumballs for tires, aero that causes the car to weigh twice as much at speed, and a steering ratio of about 1 turn lock to lock. when my "race car" with its 200 treadwear tires and 3.5+ turns lock to lock, starts doubling its weight at 50 mph...i'll consider putting power steering back in it.

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Team Sensory Assault wrote:

^^^ Try 12 GPH in the FD.  hmm

I'll let Mechimike answer this in greater detail, but I thought the LTD got better fuel burn with a 460 in it.

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Re: Keep it a 2.2 4-pot?...

firegremlin wrote:

Gas in oil = higher chance of engine block becoming a cupholder.

Only when running one of those weird, non-two-stroke engines.

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Re: Keep it a 2.2 4-pot?...

firegremlin wrote:
Team Sensory Assault wrote:

^^^ Try 12 GPH in the FD.  hmm

I'll let Mechimike answer this in greater detail, but I thought the LTD got better fuel burn with a 460 in it.

We calculated our fuel burn rate at a little less than 10 GPH.  Yeah, we had an engine with more displacement than 3 plastic Coke bottles, but the rear end ratio was like 2.76:1.  I'd wager the 460 made more power than the FD rotary, too.  According to our drag strip times, we calculated approximately 280 RWHP when it was tuned up.

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