Off-Road Wheel-to-Wheel for our $500 cars! (Page 1 of 2)

Whats the over and under on how quick someone ends up on their roof?

I love rally but this just seems like it has lots of issues. Rally spaces cars out to minimize risk of contact and give space, this is going to take crap cars and put them on a closed loop and let them duke it out. Yeow.

I wish you all the best but I just hope nobody dies or worse.

I'm out - Brakes aren't open and I have aftermarket disc conversions on the beetle.

Mike - exceptions can always be granted!  For instance - you get an exception on the brake rule because that conversion is much closer to safety than performance

Chicagozer - I daily drive a 97 legacy wagon - way, way too much car for the series, it would simply dominate.  I totally know they're available for $500, but they're also so competent off (and on) road that cars like mike's would be blown away by even the worst example.  As much as I hate to exclude some teams right off the bat, I stand by these two rules pretty staunchly.  I'd rather lose some because their cars don't qualify than lose the masses because, no matter how good their prep or driving, they simply can't compete. with the few.  Good choice of car, btw - if I were to re-do my Lemons build it would be a BG Legacy!

I would find an old Capri (closest US thing to a British RWD Escort) and do a 70's WRC theme.
Of course the car wouldn't survive much past the first lap, but it would be fun until then...

Could I suggest you open it to two divisions, AWD and 2WD? That way you can get in the Audis and Scoobs & whatnot that want to play but that way they don't dominate all the racing? Or just mandate the AWD guys have a skinnier, taller, harder tire to handicap them.

The Bee would die.

I however want to race this with anyone else who is game...

Edit: Not in the MGB.

Ok, Let's call the brakes safety, which on a bug is moot anyhow... I have BFG Radial TA's on the back and am not likel to change up there - but would go for something different up front - I don't think HTR's are a good choice on sketchy surface - are the tire rules correct for this event?
~as in I could raise the front a bit and put a pan under the rear and then completely collapse/break the springs doing something this insane.

Hey Pete,  I wonder if Dad is game? 

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OH DEAR GOD!!!

This is sort of like a Knight tapping me on the shoulders with his sword or something...something like this:

ok ok, maybe it's more like this:

I am chewing on your idea(s) about an AWD class.  It's a good idea, but I'm concerned about the AWD vehicles being able to do a lot of damage to the course.  The biggest challenge is going to be maintaining the course integrity for hours on end.  Plus, if we let Overzet get out there you KNOW there's going to be trouble...big TV star he is and all.

No modifications to the spec tire (says so in them there rules).  Tire rules are correct - yes, they're imperfect tires for this type of activity.  The idea is to limit expenditures but also to equalize and limit traction, as well as require teams to drive to the conditions and equipment instead of as fast as is physically possible.   For the course and the cars to last, there has to be some limiting factor.  I chose tires.

Mike - if you want to discuss the Radial TA tire shoot me an email.  If there is reasonable logic behind it we can talk about an exception.  I have those tires on my '66 C10, and they're really awful.  But, maybe better than the Fuzions, I'm not sure.

Mechimike - east coast is on the list for 2012, but I really would like to see a successful event  closer to home before I over-extend myself.  If you have suggestions for venues, I'd love to hear it.  Here are the places I've contacted already: Summit Point, Team Oneil, VIR, NJMP, Gravity Park, and Bark River and opened the conversation to varying degrees of welcome.

Awesome feedback guys, keep it coming.

And you hit on my thought on the number one issue that would make this seem very hard to pull off in a safe way to me.

No matter what cars are out there, the damage of running lots of iron with crap suspension over the same transitions from one surface to another and you are going to have some serious potential issues with changing surfaces.

One guy gets out of the car and is used to going X speed where he gets off the tarmac and into the dirt and when he gets back into the car a few hours later he goes the same way into the same section and suddenly speed X is way unsafe and prone to bad things.

Please don't get me wrong... I was one of the dorks asking for Lemons Rally as well some time ago but there are in fact issues that make it much harder to do. I wish you luck and hope you can pull it off as we have a VW GTI and a bunch of guys with pro rally experience to bring to the table if it works well.

PS- I call dibs on all Caswell themes!

"I" kinda thunk that was the whole point of the race. The grey matter above and the sphincter-pucker factor below should kinda regulate your speed and automatically adjust to the constantly changing variables.

If someone comes to the end of the pavement after a several hour time lapse and is unable to proceed with some caution, well then they might want to take up badminton instead.

Also, I want to run an Amazon!! I  have a HUGE box of S.U. carbs & paraphernalia I can contribute to the cause.