Cheating bar raised at CMP (Page 1 of 17)

Oh boy this will be fun....I can hear the excuses now.

+1 Yeah that would be fun.

Details? OK -- how about the near-critical mass Ford Probe with the home made gas shocks. Jay and I were going over the car with a fine tooth comb; the front end was jacked up and we noticed a tire valve sticking out of the damper. Hmmmm.

"Oh that... yeah, we made our own gas shocks."

"Oh you did -- why'd you paint them black and try to hide them? The paint's still wet."

"Uh..."

"Also, when we asked you if we'd see anything suspicious if we jacked your heap off the ground, why didn't you mention the shocks?"

"Uh...."

That sort of cheatin'

I don't doubt that the McQueen VW has a stroker, but the car has been extensively lightened, well set up, and well-driven... maybe they get a pass?  (that said, they DID get my curse vote for cheating)  Something tells me that particular car might see a head removed during BS judging the next time we see it.  I'll chip in for the new head gasket.

I'm not sure about the RX7.  Given that I diced it up with that car on track and wasn't knocked out by the prowess of the driver at the time (not bad... but very choppy and uncertain of his lines), and I was able to pass it with a crappy 3000GT.  (I later let the RX back ahead of me and opted to follow him for a good long while just because I didn't want to drive as agressively as he was just to stay ahead of him)  That doesn't reek of cheater car to me.  As always, reliability, clean racing and good pit strategy won the race.

Face it, we're all cheatin' bastids to some degree... I challenge anyone in the top 20 to deny it.  (and even if you do, I certainly won't believe you!)  It's all in the degree of the cheating.

I got a kick out of the class-winning Saab that got towed home Saturday night (we followed it as we were going out for dinner) and apparently received turbocharged power for Sunday that it didn't have Saturday.  If that rumor is true... now THAT is cheating!

Much like the white RX-7 that finished 2nd (I think) in the first Lemons South race... back in the pits changing the grungy stock manifold and carb for trick performance parts immediately after BS judging.  THAT is cheating!

But, to compete in the race from start-to-finish in the same car that you somehow bluffed your way through tech with, without adding go-fast cheater parts (ahem, notice I didn't say anything about belts and hoses)... while you still might be cheating... is all part of the game.

I Agree Loren Every one is playing the game. And the top 2 cars were very well driven.
When the Lap times are posted we can get a better idea of their stratigy - IE pits stope etc.

I  would like to see how long the Rx 7 was in the lead and by how much.

No cheating here, glad we didn't get docked 5 laps because we only made 38.    Maybe the 'Rolla will return.  sigh.

Who is whining. We are all happy to know what to base our cars off of. Makes the cars lighter. More cutting.. and More  HP..

Yeah, both those cars are SMOKING fast, and then get out of crush free. That said, both drove well, and were well prepped, so its kind of a mixed bag. I don't understand how they get through BS with the strength of both those motors though.

Not whining, just getting some things out in the open.  Perhaps if people realize that, yes, other people do notice their OBVIOUS cheats, maybe they'll be less inclined to do it?

As for the suspiciously powerful cars... how do you propose they get caught in BS inspection? 

And for those non-cheaters out there... are you sure you're accounting for everything?  Even the crap you have laying around the garage has SOME value.  Sure, most of us don't count a lot of stuff like that, but realistically... you should look at it as "I bought this car for $200, brought it home to an EMPTY garage, and had to buy EVERY part that I put on it".  I you honestly take that approach, I suspect that anyone who even FINISHES the race is cheating at least a little.

The Probe guys with the self-rebuilt shocks... in their mind, the Schrader valve and any other parts they may (or may not) have put into those shocks were "free" because they were available in a pile of parts in their race shop.  Is that REALLY any different than the home-builder putting a piece of scrap steel or a spare bolt that they happen to have in their garage on their car and omitting it from their budget?  Did you include all the zip-ties, wire, electrical connectors, electrical tape, cotter pins, gasket sealant and crap like that in your budget?

Good to hear that the Saab was (apparently) not actually cheating as rumored.  Wonder if the new clutch will be included in their budget next time out? 

But were they REALLY that fast, or was that just your perception?  I can tell you that when I read the Jalop article about the top 5 cars Saturday night, I realized that I had diced it up with 4 of the 5 and PASSED each of those 4 in the "GT30", which is a stock 3000GT.  Never got into it with McQueen, that I remember.

Just because a car is "reasonably quick" and "handles adequately" and is "DRIVEN WELL" (that's the important part) doesn't automatically mean that it's a big fat cheater car.

You want a scary fast car?  If those guys in the Monte could figure out how to make their suspension let them carry some speed around a corner, it would be an unstoppable force.  I ran a 1:04.4 in the GT (on Saturday, would have likely been quicker on Sunday... if I had the chance!), and those guys were sprinting away from me in the straights.  Easily a 1:02 car if it would hold a corner.

Only if you let it. IMO, it's all in the attitude of having fun and not really caring too much. So what if you get BS laps? You weren't really planning on winning, were you? So long as you don't get crushed, you'll have lots of fun on the track. (Hopefully cars that get crushed are actual cheaters or actual terrible drivers.)