X Class observations (Page 3 of 5)

Yes, yes and it can be done on the current tires we are allowed. If you look at the results from CMP the Firebird did a 1:51 which was 5 seconds quicker than the winner with both cars being on equal tires (Dunlop Star Specs).

In my opinion, that's not a $500 Firebird. I know they claim it is, but you simply don't find good WS6 LT1/6 speed drivetrains at Pick-n-pull for a couple hundred bucks, even if you do find the chassis cheaply enough. Nobody finds more unreal deals than me on CL, but I was BS judging when that thing debuted, and their story didn't work for me.

Yes, Randy can make any car much faster than most drivers, but he won't dominate the entire field the way he did in that Firebird in your average Class A LeMon.

No we are already at the wall for faster cars if you find the right combination which no one else would even think about. For example the Riley Ford Probe. I am still highly disturbed that they placed Eyesore into Class X as it sends a message to teams that if you have a car that the powers at be don't like even if it falls within the rules/spirt for Class A they will place you into Class X or you gotta take a load of laps for Class A.

This is starting to trend into dangers waters in my opinion.

Maybe its just time to start using an actual car value system to determine laps and just get rid of Class X with the Judges determining if the car is to be Class A, B or C only. This would also keep the speed creap of cars down too as teams could not abbuse the residual values to add speed parts to cars.

Not true. The value system would take any parts beyond stock into consideration as added value (except what is already allowed extra per current rules). Also with the value system it makes engine swaps alot harder to work out to where you do not get laps. The biggest thing with the value system is it will stop the cars from gaining speed due to fluxuating residuals after each race with the current system.

Why would anyone want to discourage engine swaps or make cars slower? No statistics on this, but I would bet that the majority of cars that don't complete the entire race are making more power then the slow and steady crowd. there are very few fast and steady cars out there, and Eyesore has built one of them.  Their car is far from a stock Miata at this point, though it still doesn't meet the letter of the class X rules. Between the turbo, and the mass centralization that has lead to lots of former parts residing in the passenger seat, it has had a lot of work done.

If the game had rules it just leads to gaming of the rulebook.

Liability.

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I think the big advantage of arbitrary is that it is used to close those oh so clever loop holes people always find in any sport.  If you have it all spelled out in black and white with no room for the judges to make determinations cheaters are going to cheat more and legitimate people trying to make something awful race are going to get hurt by it.

No I understand why the organizers would want to encourage it, I just question why the original poster would want to encourage it.  Though on the organizer side of things I think the big wrecks in NASCAR and Indy would indicate that that slowing everyone down to the same speed is more dangerous than having slow cars out there as a rolling chicane for the faster cars.  I think traffic is it single best way to slow things down and make things safer.  More than 150 cars on a track like Sears Point or Buttonwillow leads to a situation where you rarely get a clear track to use the full potential of your car.

I still don’t see any explanation of X-class consistent with what was demonstrated at Sears Pointless. Many opinions have been expressed, some with such authority they must chat about it with Jay every night, on what qualifies and what is the purpose of X-class. Only one floats: X-class is completely arbitrary, both in scope and purpose.

Level the field: Not remotely consistent. Only one of 4 X cars could really be considered a top competitor so far. There is some potential but this was the first race the Hamster (I think) or MRolla placed even in the top half.

Truly weird builds: One serious omissions. One questionable inclusion.

Cheat control: None of these cars were cheaty. BS laps seem as effective as ever.

Whine control: Are legit X cars are all penalized with the whiner cars? Were the Eyesores the only whiners at this race?

We can all spew speculation, wishful thinking, or total nonsense. I kindly request clarification from the organizers. Would anyone else like that in addition to the Cliff Clavin versions?

You could do what Chump does, if they can't find a like make/model on the internet for $500 or less they are supposed to call BS on you (unless you have relatives with E-36s).

That's why we picked a SC Saturn in the first place, I think all of them are $500.

E-30s+.... Miatas... Yeah OK sure.