X Class observations (Page 4 of 5)

Whoa, easy there Tupac.

Hmm, do I want to see Lemons develop something akin to Chump's AIV system?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwiYNYlqJL0

Not because I dislike it, I just want the two entities to have two different 'flavors'.  Some folks like chocolate donuts, other like maple bacon.

BS allows for sticking to the spirit of the rule over the letter of the rule. I think there is wisdom in this.

I do not have an issue with X-Class either but I think that some of the issues that came up in discussion some time ago are showing to be valid issues still.

I hope that Jay, Phil and company can help present a bit better picture as to what exactly we can expect from it. If they are unsure and are waiting to see how things evolve, I am ok with that to but maybe saying so would help settle some nerves?

This is the major flaw that the current system has right here. As for doing oil changes do you actually think that they will actually check that at tech? If they didn't allow oil changes after each race they would end up having motor failure after motor failure. That would make the racing more dangerous than it should be and more costly to the teams due to early engine failures.

As for using the residual for make a car more reliable its called just put OEM parts on (which is allowed under AIV with no penalty). 4 out of 5 cars that aren't reliable are due to the fact that the parts on the car are tired and just need replacing with OEM(not racing/performance) parts.

The big issue with the AIV/Chump system is that it truly caters to the lowest common denominator. Those who have fab skills, negotiation skills, or creativity are punished. There was a controversy over the aftermarket 2bbl carb on the T... In reality, a used Holley 2bbl is less expensive than a brand new replacement 4bbl. Yet, we would be allowed to buy a $300 "stock" carb and not be punished, but a $50 swap meet 2bbl gets penalties? This is where set rules get stupid.
We could debate all day on why a 600cfm Holley 4bbl is better or worse than a 350cfm Holley 2bbl, but when it comes to actual dollars invested (the formula of the series), the Lemons system wins.
I am bummed to see X class used as a punishment, however. It's been touted as a place for radically altered cars, and while the ghetto charged Miata is awesome, it's just not "radical" to me.
It's not my race series, though. Nuf Ced.

At the end of the day, it is Jay's party.  He developed a system the encourages the kind of teams and cars he likes to see on the track.  The one word that comes to mind is "horrible".  Everything he likes has that word attached to it.
mechimike gets $4 residuals 'cause he brings a freaking '75 LTD.  It is a horrible idea.  Jay is encouraging that behavior.  After running three races along side the LTD, I agree.
I get $385 residual with a blown motor and collapsed suspension because I bring a '95 Civic.  I get to figure out how to replace a motor and springs for $115.  It can be done, but it takes a certain level of creativity.  Jay is discouraging a Civic on the track because it is boring.  He's right.

I have no opinion about X-class and how it is being used, but I like the current residual system.  Odds are high if you dislike the system, you are in the wrong place.

So under Chump AIV if I turn up with a SBC and it craps itself (and it will) can I swap in a crate motor as an OEM replacement?

(Not being a dick, just haven't read the chump rules cover to cover yet)

Not making it a Chump/Lemons thing, cause frankly no matter what you do someone is going to figure a way to take advantage of it and someone is going to get screwed.

For the current Lemons System though, I would say that most of the time it works out about right.  It seems each race 90% of the teams recieve the correct amount of laps, and even a higher percent get put in the correct class.  Chucking the existing to replace it with something else will cause lots of new problems and probably end up with a system that won't be as accurate and get as many or more complaints.

I could bitch for days about X-class, and I could shoot holes in AIV all day long. Both seem to serve the purpose for the crowds they address. My personal position is in that grey area that neither set of rules solidly apply to. That's one benefit to the Lemons system. There's no rulebook to hide behind, someone has to personally make a decision and stand behind it.

I'm not against either system but the thing that has had a bug in my you know what is this whole class x deal and how teams are using the residual to make a faster car. I feel like Jay just said enough is enough with Eyesore and told them to either bring another car or your gonna keep running Class X with the Miata. I'm just not buying the whinning story about Eyesore though as I do feel they were given laps that would have put them out of contention either way even if they weren't whinning.

Oh, sorry Speedy, I certainly didn't mean to imply you didn't know what you are talking about, and actually intended but forgot to list your input as an exception to all the blather, as you seem to be the only one who actually spoke to the staff about it. Sorry if my generalization was disrespectful.

Still as confused about it as ever though. If X class is Eyesore's penalty box, that implies X classification is a penalty, not an aspiration to be AWESOME.

Clarification from the organizers would be appreciated.