next year's schedule (Page 10 of 11)

You need to learn the difference between gross and net.

Since there are so many millions of dollars floating around, you would think so! If we could just stop Jay from wrapping his burritos in $100 bills...

Hey dude -- you don't have an exact number.

I have compared  the Lemons numbers to a local region's SCCA National. FYI At about $400/entry an SCCA national does not break even at Nelson Ledges with 124 cars. I understand that the entry is higher and that Lemons has more driver fees but then the SCCA staff does not need to fly in either. I also believe, maybe incorrectly, that Lemons insurance costs are higher as SCCA has a national base with a lot more anal retentive stewards making sure the underwriting guidlines are adhered to.
I think there was some money made at Nelson  but not as much as one might think.
The comment rgarding gross vs. net should be very well taken.

The point is, Lemons staff are not getting rich off this stuff.
If they are they are the only ones in the world doing that in motorsport right now.

when the Lemons crew buys the city of Detriot (which probably has the lowest property value of any major metro in the country, and the most motivated sellers), I'll concern myself with how much money they are making.

until then, i'll live with three races with 8 hours of me, and private days at my local track.

"do YOU have 15 drivers/cars? do YOU have $100 each? do YOU have a weekday off?

.....then come on down and rent our track for the day"

The whole discussion about money came up when someone thought Hallett should put in a bridge or something to provide infield access which would attract events like Lemons and bring in lots of money for the track.

While I am sure tracks make money on additional services like concessions and camping fees, the bulk of their revenue on an event is probably through their rental rate which is a fixed cost.

If you rent out a track, they don't care how many cars you bring as long as they get paid and you're safe.  Getting them to allow 120ish cars on the track at the same time that's a whole 'nother thing and it ain't normal.

We rented out MSR in June for a 1 day DE.  They will tell you your max track capacity is around 32 cars.  That's about 1/4 of the field for next weeks race. 

FYI, I think we paid MSR about $8500 for rent, insurance and corner workers (it's been a while and I don't recall the exact amount).

I have no problem with the Lemons crew making money.  Large events help offset the cost of new events which often times have low turnout. 

MSR Houston has increased it's field from 80 to 100 to 120.  No Problem was around a 50 car field.  No Problem was a great event but probably did not bring in a whole lot of money.  Hopefully larger events like MSR, Nelson and Thunderhill can offset the lower turnout events.  They also help increase the number of events from 11 to 23.

To me, the biggest miracle of Lemons was convincing some insurance company to cover it in the first place.  We are kind of breaking the mold of normal racing and having a blast doing it.

While our entry fees are higher than SCCA, we have more "potential" track time and you can get a license for $50 if you don't have one.  A 6 driver team will be around $1200 but that's $200 each.  A $400 entry fee to most SCCA races is for 1 driver to do a couple of Sprint races.   The NASA enduro this Spring at TWS was about $700 for about 8 hours.  Lemons fees are fine.  I think the camping fee kinda blows but that's it.

Man... the special penalties we have planned for you...

TROY... just make sure you keep talking and keep the focus away from our team.

We will reward you nicely... maybe

Watch this space for info...
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=ho … 547?ref=ts
Or this space: http://www.nelsonledges.com/
Oh, and the safety trucks we have WERE from Champcar.... We're looking into doing something with the 12 hour weekend for $500 racecars. The research is ongoing....

+1.2 zillion. I had a FANTASTIC Americano before I hopped in at 4:30am (having been unable to sleep due to excitement). I very memorable cup of coffee -- the best I've ever had at a track by far.

I too would welcome another 24 race at Nelson Ledges.

A well placed little birdy just told me that a 24 Hour Race will be returning to Nelsons this spring.

Don't fluff me up and leaving me wanting. Details, good man, we need details!

Non-LeMons event, right?

Yup. I've seen guys like Hunt, Sheckter and an M. Andretti completely screw up in the 2-2A complex....decreasing radius double apex off camber radioactive corner from Hell. The only time I've ever gotten it right is on foot...but I'm thinking of a Vespa...