Re: Dyno, Tech, Tune Day/Lemons Pre-Pointless Party. Feb 13th

Ours was on dyno last week, almost made 95 hp.  But it did have a stump pulling 97ft/lb of tq.

-Mike
Junk Works Racing Team Captain
Lemons South Spring '09 SR-71 BlackBird Finisher
Southern Discomfort '10 E-30ata 4th place

Re: Dyno, Tech, Tune Day/Lemons Pre-Pointless Party. Feb 13th

icemang17 wrote:
MurileeMartin wrote:
dtfastbear wrote:

Brian (whoops, I mean Richard), if you think 250 is too high, you apparently never tucked in right behind the Shark car and tried to stay with it down the straight!!!  smile smile

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Because the only thing standing between the Sharks and a first-place finish is MORE POWER!

There she blows captain..................damm thats a bit of body roll...... 

I wonder what the highest dynoing Lemons racer is?  I'd venture a guess that the top dyno car is ghetto charged and its life expectancy is rated in laps you can count on 1 hand....

That's also pre-insano-cage tied into all four suspension points. The Shark is much flatter through the turns these days.

And yes Clay, hella fast, too.

"This is the scene where I get shot," Bronson said. "I have these little squibs that explode to make it look like bullets are hitting." "Fascinating," said Bergman. "I never knew how they did that." "You mean," asked Bronson, "you don't use machine guns in your movies?"

Re: Dyno, Tech, Tune Day/Lemons Pre-Pointless Party. Feb 13th

I'll be there. Remember, good barbecue is considered a bribe applicable for future races!

As for the dyno record, I'm pretty sure the most powerful car in Lemons history is the Police Brutality Lincoln (though a couple of the cheaty small-block Chevy engines that blew up in South Carolina might have made more power during their 40 minutes of life).

Re: Dyno, Tech, Tune Day/Lemons Pre-Pointless Party. Feb 13th

At Buttonwillow, our Camaro had a pretty healthy small block. Nothing trick, but it was probably north of 300whp... just couldn't keep it cool on day one, then once the cooling system was fixed, the transmission took a shit. I think we're going to go with a blue flame 6 or something for the next iteration.

Re: Dyno, Tech, Tune Day/Lemons Pre-Pointless Party. Feb 13th

What about that fiberglass turbo Porsche that was at t-hill? That thing had to be put out some high numbers.

E=MC Hammered
E30, 302I (ME car)
Pintoghini with turbo 2.3L
Old Spice Crown Victoria

Re: Dyno, Tech, Tune Day/Lemons Pre-Pointless Party. Feb 13th

Winging it wrote:

What about that fiberglass turbo Porsche that was at t-hill? That thing had to be put out some high numbers.

It suffered from boost problems for most of the race, so probably not.

Re: Dyno, Tech, Tune Day/Lemons Pre-Pointless Party. Feb 13th

Oh i thought most of its problems involved keeping the fenders on it!

E=MC Hammered
E30, 302I (ME car)
Pintoghini with turbo 2.3L
Old Spice Crown Victoria

Re: Dyno, Tech, Tune Day/Lemons Pre-Pointless Party. Feb 13th

Winging it wrote:

What about that fiberglass turbo Porsche that was at t-hill? That thing had to be put out some high numbers.

In theory that setup could make TONS of HP.....I've seen well built turbos anywhere from 300whp to nearly 600whp.....  The 300whp ones last a really long time too, assuming they can keep oil in the #2 bearing.....which is the same damm problem the 928's have but with 2 bearings to worry about :>( 

as for HP...I'd guess the repaired estate should be about the same as before.....I'd be more happy with a bit less peak HP and more torque down low.....since I don't want to rev as high this race.....

Richard Doty
1984 Porsche 928 "Estate"
Porsche- "there is A substitute" Racing
Dirt Poorsche Racing #2

Re: Dyno, Tech, Tune Day/Lemons Pre-Pointless Party. Feb 13th

icemang17 wrote:
Winging it wrote:

What about that fiberglass turbo Porsche that was at t-hill? That thing had to be put out some high numbers.

In theory that setup could make TONS of HP.....I've seen well built turbos anywhere from 300whp to nearly 600whp.....  The 300whp ones last a really long time too, assuming they can keep oil in the #2 bearing.....which is the same damm problem the 928's have but with 2 bearings to worry about :>( 

as for HP...I'd guess the repaired estate should be about the same as before.....I'd be more happy with a bit less peak HP and more torque down low.....since I don't want to rev as high this race.....

Most turbocharged engines fail at Lemons. The junkyard/ghettocharged ones that run very low boost seem to hold together better than the factory turbos. That means that it's better to add junkyard turbos to your Country Squire than to race an XR4Ti or Starion.

Re: Dyno, Tech, Tune Day/Lemons Pre-Pointless Party. Feb 13th

NOS...



KT

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Re: Dyno, Tech, Tune Day/Lemons Pre-Pointless Party. Feb 13th

Aw they just arent doing it right, i want one of our next egr projects to be ghetto charged, im talking to you Richard!!


Ok i though i should also throw out a few more things for those of you bringing cars to dyno. please add anything you feel John.

1. Tow hooks, if you dont have any good, strong, large, easy to reach one, install them!!! this is the #1, again the #1 thing that slows us down when dynoing a car, BMWs are usually the best at not having a good set of rear hooks, and no we wont grab on to the bodged on bumper you tack welded onto the plastic trim, it aint safe.

2. Exhuast, if your car needs new exhaust for the race it needs it for the dyno, low hanging or dangerous exhaust is more thatn just a pain because the "max super flow" mufflers are being ground to bits by the  roller of the dyno. when the lift on the dyno goes down the car must have at least 4" of ground clearance around the drive axle, we had many head aches with slammed vws and nissans, etc bottoming out on the dyno center. So raise those cheater "eBay" coilovers to max if you can.

3. Gauges, does you car have them? of course how silly of a question, i ment do they work??? Im not talking about speedo or the clock, we need a working tach and a temp guage that you know to be somewhat accurate so we can all jump up and run out of the building and press the record button on the camera as the car explodes from doing that driving thing these cars should be able to. oh oil pressure would help too but then again its not my car and im not cleaning it up... we need a tach to help calibrate the dyno rpm to the engine rpm, if you absolutley can not get one, we can use a timing light to do it but we wont be nice about it.

4. Your cars Stats, its your car and you know it best so please feel free to let us know what it limits are. Such limits we like to know is the safe RPM range ( just becuase your super duper sunpro tach goes to 11k doesnt mean you shit box can too, that is unless its a downshifting Diahatsu) the temp at which the very center core of the  30 year old clogged radiator with begin nuclear Fusion and start the substantial chain reaction that explodes the cooling system, rotarys like to do this well. Which gear you wish to test in, usually its 3rd or 4th, whatever is 1:1 or closest to that. On a simular note for you poor souls stuck with an autobox, please, if you can, find a repeatable method to make your tranny stay in the test gear for a full pull, find the minumum RPM you can drive at in test gear, and floor it or roll on it heavily and it will NOT downshift, this will save alot of time and make getting a clean reading so much easier. weather its a modified kick down cable/switch or just a secret handshake with the shift knob. Finally those with FWD cars if you can get the front end aligned prior to the test, it will make controlling the beast a less difficult chore eliminating the possblity of eliminating your fellow racers. Oh also bring some good ear muffs if you wish to be in the same room as the tourturing, it gets noisy.

Re: Dyno, Tech, Tune Day/Lemons Pre-Pointless Party. Feb 13th

MurileeMartin wrote:
icemang17 wrote:
Winging it wrote:

What about that fiberglass turbo Porsche that was at t-hill? That thing had to be put out some high numbers.

In theory that setup could make TONS of HP.....I've seen well built turbos anywhere from 300whp to nearly 600whp.....  The 300whp ones last a really long time too, assuming they can keep oil in the #2 bearing.....which is the same damm problem the 928's have but with 2 bearings to worry about :>( 

as for HP...I'd guess the repaired estate should be about the same as before.....I'd be more happy with a bit less peak HP and more torque down low.....since I don't want to rev as high this race.....

Most turbocharged engines fail at Lemons. The junkyard/ghettocharged ones that run very low boost seem to hold together better than the factory turbos. That means that it's better to add junkyard turbos to your Country Squire than to race an XR4Ti or Starion.

Geez Phil.....wheres the fun in THAT......plus what could possibly go wrong, its been totally reliable for 200k+...whats another 1k on a racetrack?????  :>)

Richard Doty
1984 Porsche 928 "Estate"
Porsche- "there is A substitute" Racing
Dirt Poorsche Racing #2

Re: Dyno, Tech, Tune Day/Lemons Pre-Pointless Party. Feb 13th

vwdmc16 wrote:

Aw they just arent doing it right, i want one of our next egr projects to be ghetto charged, im talking to you Richard!!


Oh also bring some good ear muffs if you wish to be in the same room as the tourturing, it gets noisy.

Just use fingers like I do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_9lljhXBtc

Richard Doty
1984 Porsche 928 "Estate"
Porsche- "there is A substitute" Racing
Dirt Poorsche Racing #2

Re: Dyno, Tech, Tune Day/Lemons Pre-Pointless Party. Feb 13th

trekkor wrote:

NOS...



KT

You'd have to have one hell of a huge bottle. big_smile

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Re: Dyno, Tech, Tune Day/Lemons Pre-Pointless Party. Feb 13th

Or trailer.

What?



KT

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Re: Dyno, Tech, Tune Day/Lemons Pre-Pointless Party. Feb 13th

Years ago I knew a dude who had a big stainless steel gas tank (like, 300 gallons) on the back of his 3/4 ton truck. He had stuck a big NOS sticker on it and was constantly getting harassed at lights by ricers who thought it was actually a nitrous bottle. big_smile

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Lackey-mechanic-whatever/NSF Racing
Sycophant/Judge Phil, Jay Lamm, Kim Harmon
Galaxie Driver/not Parnelli Jones

Re: Dyno, Tech, Tune Day/Lemons Pre-Pointless Party. Feb 13th

MurileeMartin wrote:
Evil Genius wrote:

And both of those pics are pre-getto-charged, I imagine the list-angles have increased with the additional power

Actually, the Sharks (and when I say Sharks, I mean Clay) no longer have a rep for being total fearless maniacs on the track. Now they battle reliability problems instead of black flags.

Thanks Phil for the clarification.  LOL.   Although I still got voted one of the "3 Most Head Slapping Drivers" of 2009 Lemons in GRR Mag.
    I want to take a special moment and thank the Academy and my Agent.....  You like me, you Really like me..... NOW WHERE'S HALLE BERRY?
 
     Just for Lemons whom don't know, those photos are from Thunder Hill '08 and our second race.  The second one really makes me cringe. The car was basically stock, with the exception of cut and reformed V-12 750 iL front springs and a $25 Computer chip.   Thank goodness for those V-12 springs when Grinch Civic decided to ride me into the tire barrier. Not sure the stocks could've handled that slam. There has been much cutting and redesigning since then.
   Not sure what the Shark would do on the Dyno.  A 528e brand new is listed with 120bhp.  Our engine has 350K+ miles on it.  It would be interesting to see what difference the Ghetto Charger Dodge K Car turbo does.
   Wish this gathering was closer.  Just getting to Infineon is gonna be an epic challenge.
  But I would be willing to guess that that bad ass V8volvo would put up just a bit higher numbers. Dean really had that bad boy movin.

Re: Dyno, Tech, Tune Day/Lemons Pre-Pointless Party. Feb 13th

We know exactly what the V8olvo was putting down at THill - just north of 190 at the wheels.

Given that you said you were having air flow meter problems when we were racing close to each other for several laps and given how hard your car would still pull from about 50-90mph, I'd say your ghetto charger is doing an admirable job! smile  Of course, the V8olvo is quite a bit heavier.

I'm sure you're right - no way the Shark was putting down 2 hundy HP, but it's still fast!

Hope you guys are up to the epic challenge and make it to Sears Pointless!!

Cheers,

Dean

Re: Dyno, Tech, Tune Day/Lemons Pre-Pointless Party. Feb 13th

dtfastbear wrote:

We know exactly what the V8olvo was putting down at THill - just north of 190 at the wheels.

Given that you said you were having air flow meter problems when we were racing close to each other for several laps and given how hard your car would still pull from about 50-90mph, I'd say your ghetto charger is doing an admirable job! smile  Of course, the V8olvo is quite a bit heavier.

I'm sure you're right - no way the Shark was putting down 2 hundy HP, but it's still fast!

Hope you guys are up to the epic challenge and make it to Sears Pointless!!

Cheers,

Dean

The estate made 193.3 days before the race....and probably stayed close to that until about noon on Sunday when the bearing started to die..... closer to 0 at the end  :>(

I'm optimistic that a less rich tune might get 200whp....that would be nice..but I'd rather have more power below 5000rpm than above it.....

Richard Doty
1984 Porsche 928 "Estate"
Porsche- "there is A substitute" Racing
Dirt Poorsche Racing #2

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Re: Dyno, Tech, Tune Day/Lemons Pre-Pointless Party. Feb 13th

Its time to start the dyno list.   e-mail me if you are coming to the party and want to get your car on the dyno.  I've also added more info to the first post....

Gosh, my business card says 'Tech Tyrant'

Re: Dyno, Tech, Tune Day/Lemons Pre-Pointless Party. Feb 13th

Emailed.  We'll try to be there.

TST, fool.

It's a Bunny.  With a pancake.  On its head.  Really, is it that tough?

Re: Dyno, Tech, Tune Day/Lemons Pre-Pointless Party. Feb 13th

Possible 2 cars Lemon Demolition and Pit crew revenge 2.0

Pit Crew Revenge Racing   Rolling chicanelimo,95Lamdspeeder,Gimp Pimp Cadi,300zx Car show kaboom!! 90 Wagovan, mazda v8 Lemons LOGO TATTOO!  Aces 84 Cadi Eldo Briattz I O E WINNER
Class C win with LemonOdy Cannonball Run Whambulance !EX K Captain
Lemons Trophy Truck ShaGuar Baby!

48 (edited by Evil Genius 2010-01-21 01:46 PM)

Re: Dyno, Tech, Tune Day/Lemons Pre-Pointless Party. Feb 13th

So Here's the list so far:  watch here to know where you are in line, please contact me if you have to cancel  or whatever.   This space is the official dyno list: you're not on it, you're at the back of the Queue....   

1.  Chris Robertson   240SX
2.  Shawn, Bunny with a pancake on its head, Rabbit
3.  Chris,  Lemons Demolition  Honda?
4.  Chris, Pit Crew revenge, Honda?
5.  Craig, Cannonball Bandits, FX16
6.  Brian Klein, 1971 Dodge Demon (sweet!) 
7.  Armand,  Sunbeam Alpine
8.  Pete, Killer ZomBees, MGB
9.  Trekkor, Filthy Faux Ford, Escort
10. Dan Pressey, 1990 Jetta
11. Red Rocket Racing, 85 t-bird turbo coupe

Gosh, my business card says 'Tech Tyrant'

Re: Dyno, Tech, Tune Day/Lemons Pre-Pointless Party. Feb 13th

I think we should dyno whichever of the Jensen-Healeys can be made to start first.

Re: Dyno, Tech, Tune Day/Lemons Pre-Pointless Party. Feb 13th

The ZomBee is in.

"Real ZomBees prefer Bacon"
IOE(x2) MGB/SAAB 96, Judge's Choice, Class C Win, & 2011 Hooniverse Car of the Year!
MRolla, Stick Figure/Animal House, Free Range MR2, SAAB Sonett, "The Death Flip"
2008 Exoskeleton Jag Fiasco, Concours d Lemons - Rue Britannia, worse British car.