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Topic: Who wants to drive the legendary '61 Caddy in the April Detroit race?

We plan on competing for IOE again at Gingerman. I've been looking for a drivetrain to replace the locked-up 390, but I prefer something more interesting than your average junkyard 350/350. I've been considering a Northstar/FWD conversion (LOTS of work, but tremendous cool factor in a '61). I'd also be open to almost any sizeable motor for a swap. Seeing the post in another thread about the guy with the 472 that needed a car for LeMonizing led me to an idea:

Who want to supply a solid V8 drivetrain (and a hand installing it) in return for a #2 racer position on the next race the car does? You'll get instant Lemons Legend status, have a blast with the body roll/tire squealing in every turn, and experience more spectator thumbs up and applause for your efforts than you ever dreamed possible. Plus, it will help us raise money to fight the ugly beast that is breast cancer. Help us save the ta-ta's, and have fun at the same time!

Post up what you've got here, or email me at speedycop@comcast.net if you have a stout V8 drivetrain, some driving skill, you are a team player with a great attitude, and you have some working knowledge of your infernal combustion engine. You can have it back after the race if you'd like (and if it survives). The car is in Maryland, near DC, so if you are in Oregon, you might wanna reconsider.  I've got the plasma cutter/mig welder/engine hoist standing by, as well as the skill (theoretically) to swap in whatever. We'll probably shoot for a mid-February build, so you have time to prepare.

How about it?
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2 Reply by Speedycop (edited by Speedycop 2009-12-30 06:41 AM)

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Re: Who wants to drive the legendary '61 Caddy in the April Detroit race?

BTW, the car has a $1 residual value, so your engine can be valued at up to $499. We refuse to cheat, so no killer built setups, please, no matter how stock they appear.

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3 Reply by JThw8 (edited by JThw8 2009-12-30 06:47 AM)

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Re: Who wants to drive the legendary '61 Caddy in the April Detroit race?

hmmmm....Of course I have absolutely zero donors around here right now but I'll keep my eyes open for something um...fun... for you.

Of course you realize the caddy should be the first twin engined car.  With enough scrounging you should be able to get 2 FWD V8 drivetrains wink

I do have a wartburg 3 cyl 2 stroke if you want to do something really slooooow.

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Re: Who wants to drive the legendary '61 Caddy in the April Detroit race?

Jim, I'm planning on stopping by on Friday to check on the Wart's progress, we can scheme together then. I've been planning to do the twin V8 thing for years, only as a FWD 32v Continental, and not for Lemons. I'm willing if you are, though...

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Re: Who wants to drive the legendary '61 Caddy in the April Detroit race?

Actually, I have the FWD 350 in the Toronado, and I've seen others on CL for under $500. We could do a twin 350 setup, for double the epic fail!

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Re: Who wants to drive the legendary '61 Caddy in the April Detroit race?

Speedycop wrote:

Actually, I have the FWD 350 in the Toronado, and I've seen others on CL for under $500. We could do a twin 350 setup, for double the epic fail!

Yeah, that would work.

I should be around friday until around 2pm, I'll pm you with a number.

Toranado drive trains should work well smile

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Re: Who wants to drive the legendary '61 Caddy in the April Detroit race?

At least you could alternate them during the race. When one overheats, cut if off and fire up the other!

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Re: Who wants to drive the legendary '61 Caddy in the April Detroit race?

Speedycop wrote:

At least you could alternate them during the race. When one overheats, cut if off and fire up the other!

Brilliant!

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9 Reply by Mulry (edited by Mulry 2009-12-30 08:00 AM)

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Re: Who wants to drive the legendary '61 Caddy in the April Detroit race?

You should pick up that Rolls Royce Meteor that was posted on here the other day.

http://forums.24hoursoflemons.com/viewtopic.php?id=2906

Sure, $12k might be slightly outside your budget for a Lemons motor, but I suspect that the judges would totally look the other way on 27-liter V-12 swap of a former tank engine. smile Plus, that Caddy's gotta be one of the few LeMons-prepped cars that is big enough to accommodate that engine without significant body and frame appendage.

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10 Reply by Speedycop (edited by Speedycop 2009-12-30 11:53 AM)

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Re: Who wants to drive the legendary '61 Caddy in the April Detroit race?

Maybe the Meteor guy wants to drive the Caddy too? big_smile Think he'd go for this deal?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'd get zero laps. Then again, the car wouldn't make very many laps before some obscure WWII part machined from unobtainium failed...

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Re: Who wants to drive the legendary '61 Caddy in the April Detroit race?

Anything over 16.6-liters we generally let slide

And yes, we are hoping for a dual-viper V20

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Re: Who wants to drive the legendary '61 Caddy in the April Detroit race?

Speedycop wrote:

Maybe the Meteor guy wants to drive the Caddy too? big_smile Think he'd go for this deal?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'd get zero laps. Then again, the car wouldn't make very many laps before some obscure WWII part machined from unobtainium failed...

Maybe you can get those tank restoration guys on the Isle of Man to co-sponsor your drive? And Jim Cameron, I hear he's cornered the market on unobtanium. I watched some show where they put a tank on a rotisserie to restore it. Sick.

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Re: Who wants to drive the legendary '61 Caddy in the April Detroit race?

What do you guys think of a dog-slow 6.2 diesel with a 3 speed manual, converted to run on veggie oil? A green biodiesel powerplant could only help our charity fundraising efforts. I can score the motor with a three speed manual bolted up, plus a good spare three speed, for $150 cash tomorrow.

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Re: Who wants to drive the legendary '61 Caddy in the April Detroit race?

Speedycop wrote:

What do you guys think of a dog-slow 6.2 diesel with a 3 speed manual, converted to run on veggie oil? A green biodiesel powerplant could only help our charity fundraising efforts. I can score the motor with a three speed manual bolted up, plus a good spare three speed, for $150 cash tomorrow.

DO EEET!

Ditch the veggie, investigate some tuning and buy lots of head gaskets.

Funny, after we talked this morning I was thinking diesel too.

That's a good price for that motor.

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15 Reply by Speedycop (edited by Speedycop 2009-12-30 06:03 PM)

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Re: Who wants to drive the legendary '61 Caddy in the April Detroit race?

Yeah, those transmisions are probably worth more than $150 alone. If I need lots of head gaskets, the car won't likely win IOE. It needs to stay out on track running.

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Re: Who wants to drive the legendary '61 Caddy in the April Detroit race?

So, The Honorable Jay Lamm, Esquire, has spoken. The Caddy will be powered by...
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...well, you'll just have to wait and see. big_smile

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Re: Who wants to drive the legendary '61 Caddy in the April Detroit race?

Have you guys figured something out to power this car?  Is it a done deal?  I live in Virginia beach and could come up with an engine and driveline very easily for this car.  Email at kartertony@yahoo.com if you still looking.  Maybe we can talk more.

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Re: Who wants to drive the legendary '61 Caddy in the April Detroit race?

Mulry wrote:
Speedycop wrote:

Maybe the Meteor guy wants to drive the Caddy too? big_smile Think he'd go for this deal?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'd get zero laps. Then again, the car wouldn't make very many laps before some obscure WWII part machined from unobtainium failed...

Maybe you can get those tank restoration guys on the Isle of Man to co-sponsor your drive? And Jim Cameron, I hear he's cornered the market on unobtanium. I watched some show where they put a tank on a rotisserie to restore it. Sick.

the rotisserie unit resides in nevada, at a military vehicle restoration shop/museum.
that bunch is tied in with the isle of mann group, somehow or other.

i saw the series on the miitary channel..........

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Re: Who wants to drive the legendary '61 Caddy in the April Detroit race?

kartertony wrote:

Have you guys figured something out to power this car?  Is it a done deal?  I live in Virginia beach and could come up with an engine and driveline very easily for this car.  Email at kartertony@yahoo.com if you still looking.  Maybe we can talk more.

Email sent. We know what we want to do. I'm looking for running Eldorado parts cars, preferably big blocks (429/472/500/425). If you know of one, send me the info PLEASE!

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20 Reply by icemang17 (edited by icemang17 2010-01-03 04:21 PM)

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Re: Who wants to drive the legendary '61 Caddy in the April Detroit race?

I do have a bunch of older 928 V8's lying around.....but even the lowest HP one is rated at 220HP 250 torque...... 4.5L 16V single overheard cam 8.5CR non interference motor.......extremely reliable Bosch K Jet-CIS fuel injection....what could possibly go wrong??  Around 540lbs in race trim...

And yes the 928 V8 is a "BIG block" at 122mm bore spacing.......

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Re: Who wants to drive the legendary '61 Caddy in the April Detroit race?

I'm looking to make it more reliable, not less... big_smile

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Re: Who wants to drive the legendary '61 Caddy in the April Detroit race?

Speedycop wrote:

So, The Honorable Jay Lamm, Esquire, has spoken. The Caddy will be powered by...
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...well, you'll just have to wait and see. big_smile

Benz 12 cyl maybe...

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Re: Who wants to drive the legendary '61 Caddy in the April Detroit race?

maybe a certain 16 cyl seen around these parts earlier??????

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Re: Who wants to drive the legendary '61 Caddy in the April Detroit race?

Speedycop wrote:

I'm looking to make it more reliable, not less... big_smile

wheres the fun in that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Who wants to drive the legendary '61 Caddy in the April Detroit race?

hey guys  just  read this  i live  down the street from  jim  and have a 1969  eldarado sitting inthe  yard  that  i havent done anything  with yet        might  be able to  work  somthing  out  pm  me