Hella Shitty 911 and AVI$ Aveo battle for a top 3 at Thunder Hill! (Page 1 of 3)

NOPE...and these examples almost became a HUGE accident.  When my car came to a complete stop for a brief moment, watch in the rear view mirror for a car that locks up and almost hits the car behind me.

Yellow flag does not mandate over-slowing and/or stopping.  It only discontinues passing, and indicates to the driver that there is a hazard in or around the track ahead.  If the drivers need to slow slightly to get around the hazard, that's perfectly fine...but ONLY if they need to and only at the actual incident.  Single file at predictable speed is what is best for a yellow flag situation.  (I will slow more in respect and appreciation for course workers that are not wrapped in a cage like we are...but just a little more.  They don't want you stopping either.  A chain reaction pile up is NOT what they want to clean up)

Why people slow and stop is based entirely by their street experiences and behaviors.  We all slow down and proceed with caution when there are lights or warning signs, as our laws have dictated.  It is highly dangerous to have the same behaviors on a track when you typically have cars less than a car length apart bumper to bumper in a race.  If you have one lead person jumping on the brakes for a yellow flag that has not been spotted by the followers as of yet, you have the potential for a grotesque pile up.

In the case of a full course yellow, there is usually a slower pace that is adopted by the field and this is generally because everyone knows you can't pass, and the field can take a breather.  However, I have seen full course yellows where one car is traveling at 15mph and holding up the pack.  This is dangerous for several reasons.  When it goes green, you have quite the potential for a pile up in the next turn when the pack is set free, you have hot cars that are traveling at very slow speeds increasing the potential for fire, and you have incoming cars that meet the back of the pack with much higher speeds.

My take away from this video is that it shouldn't have gotten to me so badly.  I am usually an emotionless driver, but this was so over-the-top stupid, and I reacted accordingly...stupid.  I don't care that people see my mistakes or my drama.  If anything, the ridicule that I might get will help me make better non-emotional decisions next time.  No matter, it's only Lemons Racing and that's truly the best part!

That was a whole bucket of awesome. I love how you take T1. Except the first one...

"...Well below racing speed...", "...Reasonable pace..." and people crawl or even stop with verbage like this.  I am well aware of the rules, but slowing to 20mph, or stopping, is not the intent of the rules.  Yes, this series is NOT chocked filled with experienced individuals like you and I, however, where does it say we can't teach better practices?  Every driver's meeting, since early this year, yellow flags have been discussed.  Contrary to the written rules, Jay has suggested that a local yellow will be enforced until after the incident, instead of waiting until the next active flag station.  Why can't a second brief suggestion be made that over-slowing through a local yellow could be dangerous.

If you re-read my previous post, I did use simular qualifying language, just like the rules, regarding conduct within a local yellow.  A local yellow assigned to alert of a car way off track and parked, shouldn't garner any speed change, hence my choice of words.  Then, with regards to a higher value confrontation, including cars close to, or on track, and any presence of course workers, I did say to slow and proceed single file, did I not?

Again, it's Lemon's Racing, but it could also be a great launch pad for others to learn.  Why can't we teach better practices early?

Just sayin'...

Then this was the exception to the rule.  If the course worker stopped traffic, then I too would have been happy to comply.  However, to often over-slowing or stopping is a problem in yellows.  Many have commented on this before.  Am I truly in the minority when I suggest this could be a safety issue?

It is but there is no much you can do. Did you do last year Thunderhill with 200+ cars?
I came around turn 6 and all sudden there were cars parked on exit of it, 4 wide. I barely stopped and avoid hitting anybody. Yellow flag was on other side of the hill, past turn 9.
It is chain reaction, to many cars.

Yes...and it was a blast!  There were some pucker moments on a new track for so many, but it still had an overall decent pace!

Not sure if you missed the other point of my message, but had the track stewards been paying attention, they would have thrown a black flag at you for leaving the pits and ignoring the blend line. You almost apexed T1. Looks like the track behind was pretty clear but rules is rules and it was specifically mentioned in the drivers meeting. You're obviously an experienced, fast, and safe driver, but it's a worthwhile reminder to novices that there is no speed you can drive that will catch up to the time lost from a black flag

Keep in mind all, this is a 103HP, Korean, budget box.  It's a Daewoo with Chevy badging.  As you can tell by the horrible lack of power, momentum and very late braking is my friend.  If I am side by side with two others when entering a braking zone, I know they will grab the brakes way before I will and I will squirt out of the pack and into an empty corner.  Once I exit the corner, I get consumed by the higher HP cars, but this is the only advantage to our little AVEO.  If I hesitated at every braking zone and gave up my momentum in every three wide situation, I would add 10 to 20 seconds per lap.  If, however, I was to get my nose in a place it didn't belong, I usually had the presence of mind to keep my nose clean like this at 07:23:

https://youtu.be/Y3v8XcudOpU

It almost seems like you're pedaling mid-way down the straights. Not exactly a great advertisement for a car you're trying to sell, but if I didn't just buy a Yaris, that thing would have appealed to me.

I saw that BS BF you got in the other video. It's amazing what the corner workers see, don't see, and mis-see. I need to try my hand at that to gain a bit of sympathy. In the last race, we had one driver get hit 3 times in one stint and no BFs were thrown. The driver also put 4 off a couple times without penalty. They did stop us for water coming out of our cool suit reservoir though. If they're picking and choosing, a suspected fuel leak is the most important thing, so that's good.

I have to say, there's a lot about the videos I see posted from "top level" teams here that frustrates me as someone who's only got a half-dozen races under my belt and is still getting a handle on this stuff.

For 1, the complete disregard for the blend line is disturbing. In the safety meeting that point was pretty well stressed: don't cross it. Plain and simple, no interpretation needed. Yet both entering and racing this video shows the blend being essentially non-existant.

For another, the aggressive attitude towards cars slowing for yellows. Generally just disappointing to see in a series that I thought was supposed to renounce that kind of thing.  Clearly something out of the ordinary was happening at a point in the track where there's a dramatic speed change to begin with. Why it such a surprise to people, especially when coming up on it AGAIN the next lap, that the cars are once again slowed?

And last, and most frustrating, though not shown in this particularly video, is the apparently flexibility of the "you go off, you come in," rule. Time and again I have seen both on track and in videos people go 2, 3, or all 4 off and a) not go immediately in to the judges box and b) not get black flagged for it.

Clearly I'm paying too much attention to the judges and rules during the drivers meeting. I guess I just won't bother going next time, sleep in a little bit more and just do whatever the heck I want out there.

Yeah, it's weird, like they wanted some other team to win. It's a good thing this isn't real racing.