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Re: Clarification on "Frowned Upon" cars

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Scud.Ig wrote:

So why not just exclude Miatas and E30s if they're a problem?  A quick edit of the rulebook and done.  Exceptions allowed on a per-case judge ruling.

Or perhaps the inverse of the ex-"Z=zero" rule?

Then you wouldn't know where the dickheads (or potential dickheads) are.

On a similar note, there's a 2002 that's been sitting in the woods for at least 5 years.  If I could somehow pry it loose from the owner for a few quid, would I be looked at as a potential dickhead?  Even w/ a 5.0 or SBC in it????

A 2002? You would be looked at as a God amongst men.

Seriously, that's a fantastic IOE car.

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I've seen 3 2002s around here.  None of them were running and the lowest price was $2000.

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Re: Clarification on "Frowned Upon" cars

Scud.Ig wrote:

So why not just exclude Miatas and E30s if they're a problem?  A quick edit of the rulebook and done.  Exceptions allowed on a per-case judge ruling.

Believe it or not, we have many E30- and Miata-based teams that totally get it, so there will be no blanket outlawing of those cars. Our current system of sweating the hell out of E30/E36 and Miata teams during the BS Inspection does a good job of motivating newcomers to seek out other cars.

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mikespeed95 wrote:

why do more people not do gbodys with nascar themes?

G bodies? How about going back another decade or two for some real NASCAR machines?

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You can get Matadors dirt cheap!

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Torinos too!

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Or a Belvedere!

I ask; How many Small Block Chevy powered cars have finished/won a race without overheating?

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RobL wrote:

I've seen 3 2002s around here.  None of them were running and the lowest price was $2000.

Here's a 2002 in San Clemente for $800:

http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/1602392692.html

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I ask; How many Small Block Chevy powered cars have finished/won a race without overheating?

A few. We've had SBC cars in the top 5 before. However, the majority have engine failures.

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I ask; How many Small Block Chevy powered cars have finished/won a race without overheating?

A few. We've had SBC cars in the top 5 before. However, the majority have engine failures.

*shakes head*

A rebuild kit costs under 150 buck WITH new pistons... no reason for this... non at all.

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MurileeMartin wrote:
Riktor wrote:

I ask; How many Small Block Chevy powered cars have finished/won a race without overheating?

A few. We've had SBC cars in the top 5 before. However, the majority have engine failures.

*shakes head*

A rebuild kit costs under 150 buck WITH new pistons... no reason for this... non at all.

...and?

SBC have cooling and oil problems inherent to the engine design.  A rebuild will do nothing to change the design.

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Re: Clarification on "Frowned Upon" cars

RobL wrote:
Riktor wrote:
MurileeMartin wrote:

A few. We've had SBC cars in the top 5 before. However, the majority have engine failures.

*shakes head*

A rebuild kit costs under 150 buck WITH new pistons... no reason for this... non at all.

...and?

SBC have cooling and oil problems inherent to the engine design.  A rebuild will do nothing to change the design.

Small tweeks can be garage engineered during the rebuild. I am sure that a majority of failures are junkyard picked long blocks that never got cracked open.

A decent rebuild could easily last the duration of a 24 hour endurance. Proper radiator sizing and air flow permitting.

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Ban our (former) e30 and we are comin after y'all with the banjos and the shotguns!

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You look like my neighbors.

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Tis true man tis true

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I'm glad Favre's decided to get into racing since the whole football thing ain't going so hot..

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Re: Clarification on "Frowned Upon" cars

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I'm glad Favre's decided to get into racing since the whole football thing ain't going so hot..

smile:)  that's funny right there now, i don't care who ya're.

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Re: Clarification on "Frowned Upon" cars

Could we have overall lowered to $500 and add a 2nd & 3rd place for IOE?

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fairgentleman Z wrote:

Could we have overall lowered to $500 and add a 2nd & 3rd place for IOE?

seems hardly fair to the Z-car or Volvo teams that finally manage to finish first overall don't you think?  the prize money precedent has been set, $10 more per driver in entry fees ought to cover your plan bro.

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Re: Clarification on "Frowned Upon" cars

Scud.Ig wrote:

So why not just exclude Miatas and E30s if they're a problem?  A quick edit of the rulebook and done.  Exceptions allowed on a per-case judge ruling.

Or perhaps the inverse of the ex-"Z=zero" rule?

b/c excluding certain cars b/c "we don't like 'em" is weaksauce.

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Solracer wrote:
RobL wrote:

I've seen 3 2002s around here.  None of them were running and the lowest price was $2000.

Here's a 2002 in San Clemente for $800:

http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/1602392692.html

considering Rob lives just north of Philadelphia, that one might not be a feasible candidate.

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seems to me, in my uneducated non researched opinion, that most of the dumb shit rollover stuff has been perpetrated by domestic iron.

other than CMP of course where there was a Toyota (shocker) and a Mazda RX7 that went teeter-toter and all.

oh yeah, i almost forgot, damn glad i didn't hook a tire when my upper hose burst. 

where is that damn pepper mill?

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Re: Clarification on "Frowned Upon" cars

Here's the thing about E30s and Miatas... they're too easy! How can you truly experience the pains of Lemons with a car that is rather reliable at the track even in beater form and that takes little to prepare for track duty?

Of course... right now I'm swapping a third V12 into my god forsaken Jaguar and I want to cry... but in the end I'll be a less sane and poorer man for it and that's what this is all about, right?

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soldmystang wrote:

seems to me, in my uneducated non researched opinion, that most of the dumb shit rollover stuff has been perpetrated by domestic iron.

Here are the Lemons rollovers I can recall, off the top of my head and (roughly) in the order in which they occured:

Datsun B210
Toyota MR2
Yugo GV
Plymouth Belvedere
BMW E30
Toyota Corolla
Mazda RX-7
Chevrolet Cavalier
Volvo 240
MGB
Ford Escort
BMW E30
Renault Le Car
Ford Mustang

So that's 4 domestic, 10 import.

Thunderhill is still King Of Rollovers, with 8 of the flips listed above.

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Here's the thing about E30s and Miatas... they're too easy! How can you truly experience the pains of Lemons with a car that is rather reliable at the track even in beater form and that takes little to prepare for track duty?

Of course... right now I'm swapping a third V12 into my god forsaken Jaguar and I want to cry... but in the end I'll be a less sane and poorer man for it and that's what this is all about, right?

I like your thinking....its just about as flawed as mine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  BUT my engine replacement vs races record is WORSE than yours!!!  I have a perfect engine replacement ratio of 1 per race!!! 

I REALLY hope this engine can survive the race and maybe 1 more....

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I have to pepper in the Miata to stay sane while continuing to regurgitate the rolled/blown up/blown up coROLLa and the Craptation.  Consider it my sanity pills; don't take them away!

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Jer wrote:

I have to pepper in the Miata to stay sane while continuing to regurgitate the rolled/blown up/blown up coROLLa and the Craptation.  Consider it my sanity pills; don't take them away!

But then you would blend in if we took them from you. Especially if we chained you to a 200lb anchor and put the keys in Jonny's pocket.

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I thnk those losers that don't do a theme should have penalty laps.Or a huge square box bolted to roof or 500lbs in trunk,or limited gas pedal

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