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Re: Clarification on "Frowned Upon" cars

MurileeMartin wrote:
soldmystang wrote:

seems to me, in my uneducated non researched opinion, that most of the dumb shit rollover stuff has been perpetrated by domestic iron.

Here are the Lemons rollovers I can recall, off the top of my head and (roughly) in the order in which they occured:

Datsun B210
Toyota MR2
Yugo GV
Plymouth Belvedere
BMW E30
Toyota Corolla
Mazda RX-7
Chevrolet Cavalier
Volvo 240
MGB
Ford Escort
BMW E30
Renault Le Car
Ford Mustang

So that's 4 domestic, 10 import.

Thunderhill is still King Of Rollovers, with 8 of the flips listed above.

At this rate, half the teams wil be banned for the season, and half of the rest doing motor swaps(my team included).

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Re: Clarification on "Frowned Upon" cars

Stang Man wrote:
MurileeMartin wrote:
soldmystang wrote:

seems to me, in my uneducated non researched opinion, that most of the dumb shit rollover stuff has been perpetrated by domestic iron.

Here are the Lemons rollovers I can recall, off the top of my head and (roughly) in the order in which they occured:

Datsun B210
Toyota MR2
Yugo GV
Plymouth Belvedere
BMW E30
Toyota Corolla
Mazda RX-7
Chevrolet Cavalier
Volvo 240
MGB
Ford Escort
BMW E30
Renault Le Car
Ford Mustang

So that's 4 domestic, 10 import.

Thunderhill is still King Of Rollovers, with 8 of the flips listed above.

At this rate, half the teams wil be banned for the season, and half of the rest doing motor swaps(my team included).

Naw, some of those rollovers are going back three years

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Re: Clarification on "Frowned Upon" cars

Judge Jonny wrote:
Stang Man wrote:
MurileeMartin wrote:

Here are the Lemons rollovers I can recall, off the top of my head and (roughly) in the order in which they occured:

Datsun B210
Toyota MR2
Yugo GV
Plymouth Belvedere
BMW E30
Toyota Corolla
Mazda RX-7
Chevrolet Cavalier
Volvo 240
MGB
Ford Escort
BMW E30
Renault Le Car
Ford Mustang

So that's 4 domestic, 10 import.

Thunderhill is still King Of Rollovers, with 8 of the flips listed above.

At this rate, half the teams wil be banned for the season, and half of the rest doing motor swaps(my team included).

Naw, some of those rollovers are going back three years

Good point, but there were still 3 @ MSR just this last weekend

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Re: Clarification on "Frowned Upon" cars

Stang Man wrote:
Judge Jonny wrote:
Stang Man wrote:

At this rate, half the teams wil be banned for the season, and half of the rest doing motor swaps(my team included).

Naw, some of those rollovers are going back three years

Good point, but there were still 3 @ MSR just this last weekend

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Re: Clarification on "Frowned Upon" cars

Riktor wrote:
Stang Man wrote:
Judge Jonny wrote:

Naw, some of those rollovers are going back three years

Good point, but there were still 3 @ MSR just this last weekend

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Yup.  I believe that's a record.  Texas always wants to do things bigger and badder. 

Judges Johnny and Phil - am I right about the rollover record?

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Riktor wrote:
Stang Man wrote:

Good point, but there were still 3 @ MSR just this last weekend

4

Yup.  I believe that's a record.  Texas always wants to do things bigger and badder. 

Judges Johnny and Phil - am I right about the rollover record?

That the number I got from multiple sources just after the mustang incident. And the Pepe La Puu guys said they were three... the night before.

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It was 4 .. the ZX2 and the e30 went over in the first hour and a half, the Renault 5 went over at the end of Saturday, and the Mustang went over late Sunday morning.

The cars at night, aren't all upright....

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but no one was hurt, don't get uptight.

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or Jonny and Phil will have to take flight

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or listen to whiners into the night

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while jay is far, far, far out of sight

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*CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*

DEEP IN THE HEART OF TEXAS!

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Re: Clarification on "Frowned Upon" cars

Riktor wrote:
Stang Man wrote:
Judge Jonny wrote:

Naw, some of those rollovers are going back three years

Good point, but there were still 3 @ MSR just this last weekend

4

Damn, I missed the ZX2!

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4 in one weekend??

And it was determined that Nelson Ledges was too 'dangerous'???

Heck the Lamest Day ran for a full 24 hours in the DARK and damp and managed to only put one car up on it's side in the nice soft grass exiting the carousel.

Who is up for a 'Bring back the Lamest Day' movement??? 

Would begging Jay & the Judges to go back to a fully subscribed race at Nelsons' be considered whining?

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Re: Clarification on "Frowned Upon" cars

I think We will have to wait until the track people at NL try ( and fail ) at their own half ass attempt to do a Lemons style race before  beginning any serious discussion of the "real thing " returning there.

Im actually pretty curious to see how their event will turn out  considering its the weekend after American Irony           anyone planning on racing it ?  show of hands ??

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Spud wrote:

4 in one weekend??

And it was determined that Nelson Ledges was too 'dangerous'???

Heck the Lamest Day ran for a full 24 hours in the DARK and damp and managed to only put one car up on it's side in the nice soft grass exiting the carousel.

I don't think it's the track that is dangerous ... we had more cars at the last race in October and didn't have any major accidents.

I think the 4 rollovers this past weekend were 3 driver errors and 1 stuck throttle ... the track had nothing to do with it

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Re: Clarification on "Frowned Upon" cars

This was our fourth MSR race, and the first in which any cars flipped. I suspect the crazy weather should get more of the blame than the track. Thunderhill still flips more cars, mostly due to the gluey mud that forms when it rains (i.e. all winter long).

Nelson Ledges is just so damn fast. It scares the shit out of us when we see $500 cars getting up past 120 MPH.

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Re: Clarification on "Frowned Upon" cars

MurileeMartin wrote:

This was our fourth MSR race, and the first in which any cars flipped. I suspect the crazy weather should get more of the blame than the track. Thunderhill still flips more cars, mostly due to the gluey mud that forms when it rains (i.e. all winter long).

Nelson Ledges is just so damn fast. It scares the shit out of us when we see $500 cars getting up past 120 MPH.

Rodger that.  I had a blast, but the fact that my top speed was 111mph is completely scary.  I have no business going that fast.  Especially at 3am in the wet.

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I will say that the first few laps driving through the kink at NL I was thinking, "If something goes wrong right..... here this is really gonna hurt."  I don't ever remember thinking that at any other Lemons race.  Then I got used to it and just had fun.

I just watched a video lap of Gingerman, and that track looks pretty fast too.

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Re: Clarification on "Frowned Upon" cars

Spud wrote:

Who is up for a 'Bring back the Lamest Day' movement??? 

Would begging Jay & the Judges to go back to a fully subscribed race at Nelsons' be considered whining?

Spud

+1,000,000.  I will openly grovel for going back to Nelson's.  Loved that event.

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I just want to mention that the "$500 cars" were not going 120 at NL.

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DaveH wrote:

I will say that the first few laps driving through the kink at NL I was thinking, "If something goes wrong right..... here this is really gonna hurt."  I don't ever remember thinking that at any other Lemons race.  Then I got used to it and just had fun.

agreed.  and nothing really ever went wrong...at that spot, anyway.

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Re: Clarification on "Frowned Upon" cars

The best thing about NL is the lack of braking zones.  Speeds are indeed high, but unlike many tracks, crashes due to brake fade are rare.  Gingerman, which replaced NL, on the other hand, has two big brake zones and is very hard on brakes.  Additionally, outbraking becomes a popular passing method and we know how well that turns out.

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Yes, MSR now owns the record for Most Lemons Rollovers In One Race. I believe Thunderhill averages about two per race. When the ground gets soft and you hit it sideways, the tires tend to dig in (also known as "The Thunderhill Effect").

All you dudes who complain about our "overkill" safety requirements are free to explain how you'd rather be thrown clear from the wreck. Also, comparing MSR to Nelson Ledges in terms of safety is like comparing a dachshund to a pack of starving, rabid Rottweilers; would you rather flip at 25 MPH or get T-boned at 115?

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Dacshunds can be mean little bastards.  smile

As far as safety requirements, I don't recall ever hearing anybody ever complain about the requirements being too strict.  The only griping I've heard was about hybrid helmets and visors down during fuelling.  I'm sure the tech inspectors hear a lot of crap from teams that clearly can't grasp the cage rules and show up with unsafe cars, but I, for one, think the safety rules are great.  I even think that DOM tubing should be mandated on all new builds with a temporary grandfather rule for the current cars.

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