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Topic: Over-aggresiveness and losing it all

So, we saw this a couple of times this past weekend. Before we go any further, always remember our (probably stolen) mantra, "You can't win the race on one pass, but you sure can lose it."

So the 928 came in and we gave them the Chemical Ali. I've never seen humans work so fast. They got all 20 air fresheners on in record time and were out. Only problem was, they did the penalty so fast that they were immediately black flagged in again because race control thought there was no way they could have already served their time. In other words, spazzing out and doing a pretty lousy job with the Little Trees cost them more time than they would have spent if they had just calmed down and taken their penalty.

Then there's POS. You know, the F'ed Up BMW that was leading the race after Saturday.

They came in for a black -- there first -- and normally we just give first time offenders a wave through. They were hella anxious to get back on the track. So anxious in fact that they blasted out of black flag in the wrong lane and "drifted" around Jay, Jay's mother and Jay's father at 35 mph.

Meaning that they were instantly sent back to us. I wasn't sure what had happened and figured they had been let out so quickly that race control sent them back to see us. Only thing was, Jay had sent them back. Jay then proceeded to chew their asses in a manner I've usually seen Jay reserve only for people he's tossing out of the race.

I think he said something to the effect of, "You've just fucked yourselves out of first place."

In other words, if F'ed Up had just slowly, calmly and dare I say smartly made their way back to the track, they might have won the whole Megillah.

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So the 928 came in and we gave them the Chemical Ali. I've never seen humans work so fast. They got all 20 air fresheners on in record time and were out.

I was behind them when they came back out.  That car f'ing stunk.  I mean, after sucking fumes from a handful of smoking japanese hulks - to get assaulted by that unholy artificial "freshness" completely out of context was just plain wrong.

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When our driver, Mike, got the Chemical Ali treatment he said his eyes started to water while driving out on the track.  Then he had to sit for 45 mins in the car during the Red flag with all those freshly opened fresheners.   

Ahhhh, watery eyes on the track, is that a safety issue?

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Ahhhh, watery eyes on the track, is that a safety issue?

Means it's time to torture your next driver.

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Ahhhh, watery eyes on the track, is that a safety issue?

This happened to me, following the orange Mustang II around during a long full-course yellow at Gator-o-rama.  That car was fuming so much that after a lap or two I couldn't see, my eyes were watering so badly. I dropped back, and back, and was still enveloped in a cloud of Mustang effluvia.

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Re: Over-aggresiveness and losing it all

I saw the F'ed Up guys blast out of the penalty area and mash on the throttle...  And then right by Jay and Fam...  "The Wrath of Jay" was dispensed.  Yikes...

Like I heard someone say somewhere else, they cracked under the pressure of having the lead.  Those guys were pretty cool to chat with, I was bummed for them when I saw it all go down.  They totally shot themselves in the foot.

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craznoe wrote:

I saw the F'ed Up guys blast out of the penalty area and mash on the throttle...  And then right by Jay and Fam...  "The Wrath of Jay" was dispensed.  Yikes...

Like I heard someone say somewhere else, they cracked under the pressure of having the lead.  Those guys were pretty cool to chat with, I was bummed for them when I saw it all go down.  They totally shot themselves in the foot.

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BTW- it wasn't 35. It was 18. You can see the speedo. I'm still VERY in the wrong, but not "guns blazing dangerous" that it was made out to be. A mistake that myself and my team will NEVER make again. Such a rook move.

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craznoe wrote:

I saw the F'ed Up guys blast out of the penalty area and mash on the throttle...  And then right by Jay and Fam...  "The Wrath of Jay" was dispensed.  Yikes...

I must have missed something here.  Yes the driver was going a little too fast, but to say he "blasted" out of the penalty box seems inaccurate per that video.  From what you guys said I thought he left skid marks upon exiting.

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I thought maybe Jay was offering you a bite of his sandwich big_smile

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Re: Over-aggresiveness and losing it all

POSRacing wrote:
craznoe wrote:

I saw the F'ed Up guys blast out of the penalty area and mash on the throttle...  And then right by Jay and Fam...  "The Wrath of Jay" was dispensed.  Yikes...

Like I heard someone say somewhere else, they cracked under the pressure of having the lead.  Those guys were pretty cool to chat with, I was bummed for them when I saw it all go down.  They totally shot themselves in the foot.

Video of me being a dick. Don't be a dick. It will cost you a win.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btGOfuilzrU

BTW- it wasn't 35. It was 18. You can see the speedo. I'm still VERY in the wrong, but not "guns blazing dangerous" that it was made out to be. A mistake that myself and my team will NEVER make again. Such a rook move.

Awesome -- you almost hit Knuckles, too.

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POSRacing wrote:
craznoe wrote:

I saw the F'ed Up guys blast out of the penalty area and mash on the throttle...  And then right by Jay and Fam...  "The Wrath of Jay" was dispensed.  Yikes...

Like I heard someone say somewhere else, they cracked under the pressure of having the lead.  Those guys were pretty cool to chat with, I was bummed for them when I saw it all go down.  They totally shot themselves in the foot.

Video of me being a dick. Don't be a dick. It will cost you a win.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btGOfuilzrU

BTW- it wasn't 35. It was 18. You can see the speedo. I'm still VERY in the wrong, but not "guns blazing dangerous" that it was made out to be. A mistake that myself and my team will NEVER make again. Such a rook move.

Hahahah Jay and his sandwich bringing down the doom.

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VKZ24 wrote:
craznoe wrote:

I saw the F'ed Up guys blast out of the penalty area and mash on the throttle...  And then right by Jay and Fam...  "The Wrath of Jay" was dispensed.  Yikes...

I must have missed something here.  Yes the driver was going a little too fast, but to say he "blasted" out of the penalty box seems inaccurate per that video.  From what you guys said I thought he left skid marks upon exiting.

I was 30' away from the exit to the garage and I don't think I'm exaggerating...  Engine noise, the horn honking, he was bound to grab the attention of anyone in his way...  Unfortunately it was Jay.

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It's pretty common for drivers to rev their engines to express their urgency when trying to get back to RACIN', but it makes the car seem quite menacing.

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I saw a few drivers attempt to express their urgency to get back to RACIN' in Houston since we were right by the entrance.  Not very effective. 

Drivers note: Texas attitude especially doesn't really work with that. 

There was an inverse relationship to how attractive/important the pedestrian and how quickly (if) they moved out of the way.  A few, apparently very important, women seemed to want to give the driver as much time as possible of a backside view after a rev.

Same thing they warn for team motorcycle races.  You'll only lose a race in the pits.

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Re: Over-aggresiveness and losing it all

kalpol wrote:
POSRacing wrote:
craznoe wrote:

I saw the F'ed Up guys blast out of the penalty area and mash on the throttle...  And then right by Jay and Fam...  "The Wrath of Jay" was dispensed.  Yikes...

Like I heard someone say somewhere else, they cracked under the pressure of having the lead.  Those guys were pretty cool to chat with, I was bummed for them when I saw it all go down.  They totally shot themselves in the foot.

Video of me being a dick. Don't be a dick. It will cost you a win.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btGOfuilzrU

BTW- it wasn't 35. It was 18. You can see the speedo. I'm still VERY in the wrong, but not "guns blazing dangerous" that it was made out to be. A mistake that myself and my team will NEVER make again. Such a rook move.

Hahahah Jay and his sandwich bringing down the doom.

You shoulda at least taken a bite of Jay's sandwich.....

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Judge Jonny wrote:

So, we saw this a couple of times this past weekend. Before we go any further, always remember our (probably stolen) mantra, "You can't win the race on one pass, but you sure can lose it."

So the 928 came in and we gave them the Chemical Ali. I've never seen humans work so fast. They got all 20 air fresheners on in record time and were out. Only problem was, they did the penalty so fast that they were immediately black flagged in again because race control thought there was no way they could have already served their time. In other words, spazzing out and doing a pretty lousy job with the Little Trees cost them more time than they would have spent if they had just calmed down and taken their penalty.

I thought the car smelled quite lovely when I got in Sunday afternoon.....nice and refreshing.....  BTW that was our ONLY flag for the weekend!!  Quite an improvement from last time!!

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BTW- it wasn't 35. It was 18. You can see the speedo.

18mph is still > 5mph.

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The limit is 10 mph.

We take this one extra seriously because:

1) Believe it or not, the paddock is the most dangerous place at the track. In the last two races, I've been hit twice by idiots. Innocent (not counting me) bystanders not wearing helmets and not five-point strapped into roll cages die very easily when hit.

2) Do you want to be the guy that has to live the rest of his life knowing he ran over a child (or dog) in the paddock because he was in a hurry to get back on a Lemons track? As the race truly is pointless, calm down.

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Judge Jonny wrote:

2) Do you want to be the guy that has to live the rest of his life knowing he ran over a child (or dog) in the paddock because he was in a hurry to get back on a Lemons track? As the race truly is pointless, calm down.

Serious.  This is my #1 fear when I am driving - has nothing to do with Lemons.  It would kill me personally inside if I hit a kid, my fault or not.

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The glaring pedestrians scampering out of the way is a sure sign you're doing it wrong.

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I was standing RIGHT there when this happened.  I must admit that from the outside it did seem very egregious.  From inside, it doesn't seem that way at all (although 18>5, for sure).

I'm usually the guy yelling "slow down" to cars going too fast through the pits, but as I came in after my last stint on Sunday, someone yelled it at me...  The lesson to be learned?  Speeds from outside (where the kids, dogs and judges are) seem MUCH greater and unsafe than they do inside the car, and that is very easy to forget.

One of the things we normally do at *real*endurance races is have the spotter ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS remind the driver more than once as they are coming off track and as they are leaving the pit spot: FIVE MPH.  We didn't do that this time and clearly I needed a reminder at least once.  I'll bet that would have saved the race for POS, too...

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I'm just glad that I've learned my lesson without anyone getting hurt. I was a dick. Don't be a dick.

Again, I was wrong. Even though I wasn't going 35mph or "mashing on the throttle", I was doing something that was dangerous, lame, stupid, and potentially cost my team mates the podium. It will NEVER happen again.

The reason I posted the video is BECAUSE is doesn't LOOK fast, even though it WAS. I'm hoping others can learn from my mistake as well, and make the races safer, and more enjoyable for all involved.

I carry the burden of shame for my mistake, but don't judge me on that... judge me on how I recover from my mistake.

Thank you.

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It shows a lot of humility on POSRacing's part to post a video of 'the incident.'  Props to you for facing the inevitable criticism head on.

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It shows a lot of humility on POSRacing's part to post a video of 'the incident.'  Props to you for facing the inevitable criticism head on.

+1

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Eyesore Jay wrote:

It shows a lot of humility on POSRacing's part to post a video of 'the incident.'  Props to you for facing the inevitable criticism head on.

+1

Yep +2,  I think Shakespeare said it best-"It takes a real man to call himself a dick"  well maybe it wasn't Shakespeare but I bet he wishes he would have said it.

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