chump car broke it off in us (Page 2 of 5)

I understand the economic realities behind the pullback at Nashville for Chump, but I dare say that it's precisely this kind of squirmy crap that has a lot of Lemons teams apprehensive about dealing with Chump. They're trying hard to sell all of that as an upgrade rather than being up-front about what I suspect is the truth: the field was too small and we're already losing money on the event, so they're cutting where they can so that they only lose their shirts and not the whole franchise. That's understandable, but also has the odor of failure about it, so he's choosing to spin it a different way.

i say run the 14 hour enduro and check back with us.  and yes VIR / 24 was a true blast and then some.

besides, racing at night might be best learned in moderation. 

Theoretically, I'd say taking your money and changing from a 24 hour to 14 hour race is a breach of contract as well as bait and switch.

The reality is you have to make deposits to a track which are typically non-refundable.  They are usually transferable though.  Which was the case when we rented MSRH.

There was great concern our turn out would be low and we would not be able to pay for the event.  If you do not postpone or change your plans far enough in advance, you start having to pay for larger and larger parts of the contract or the whole thing whether your event happens our not.

So cutting the 24 hour race to a 1 day 14 hour race, cut track rent to one day.  The deposit money would still be applied so it's a decent compromise.

Should they be required to offer a refund due to the 24 to 14 hour change?  I think a refund sounds reasonable if you are hell bent on a 24 hour race.

We are considering TMS specifically because it's 24 hours.  Other than the 1 hour break for install lights, aiming and whatever other lame explanation they have. 

I'd just assume go 24 hours beginning to end, no tampons, diapers or training wheels.  It will likely burn us but we're big boys.

Screw the 5 minute pit stops too.  If I make a better gas can than you, take notes and make a better one. 

Otherwise, it just promotes big gas tanks/fuel cells.  I now regret not installing a 20+ gallon cell instead of 12.  At least in Lemons I can fill it as fast as possible and get back on the track.

Five minute pit stops for fueling just encourage large fuel cells and give those teams an advantage.  By by level playing field.

I'm moving to Theory... everything works there!

All this complaining and watch bob-e's car blow up one hour in... 
We ran the 14 Hours at Rockingham with ChumpCar and it was great!!  The 14 hour Saturday enduro format was nice since we all had day and night driving stints, plenty of seat time, and plenty of racing.  Plus, having Sunday as a travel home day was nice instead of a Monday!

I agree with Dan here.  We had a good time at the 24 hours of Streets even with the small turnout.  Condron is a bit like Jay but without the cleverness, stylishness, and vision.  I hope the Chump series keeps going just to give everyone an option to run more events.  I missed the overall circus atmosphere of a Lemons event but it was still racing and that's all right with me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV7DzFP6FUY

Well, I guess you could say that I am giving it a chance, just not a chance with my money. If I bought a 24 hour race and then got less than 60% of what I paid for, I'd be furious. Maybe I'm unusual in that I expect to get what was promised to me when I pay for something.

What's the difference? The difference is that it's not what was advertised and it's not what was paid for. Let me put it another way.

Suppose that you want a new engine for your car. You know what engine you want, a nice new Ford V-8 that makes 360 HP straight out of the crate. Your local parts store doesn't stock them, but it can order one for you if you pay for it in advance and they will have it for you in 10 weeks. So you plunk down a substantial amount of money and you eagerly anticipate the day that your new engine arrives. You get the car ready for the engine, you plan on the supplies that you will need. You probably even dream about how great it's going to be to hear that burbling engine with that lopey cam, how it's going to feel to drive that car with that engine pressing you into the seat when you press the go pedal. It's going to be awesome!

Several weeks go by and the parts store calls. It says that your engine is going to be in on time and you can come get it then. Only a couple things have changed. You're not getting a V-8, which is no longer available at that store. Instead you're getting a Volvo Inline-5. It will still (miraculously) bolt up just like the other motor and will work just the same. Oh, and it only makes 210 HP, but it gets better mileage. Sure, it's not the V-8, but it's still a car engine and it will still get your little car from place to place just fine, and besides, you'll save money on gas and other operating expenses and who really needs a V-8 anyway? They're wasteful and loud. Your I-5 will be at the store on the same day as the other engine, and you can still come and pick it up on the original date. Because of the inconvenience, the store is offering a 25% discount on the next engine that you order from them. If they don't go out of business before you need another engine.

Would you be okay with that? I wouldn't. I would call that a bait and switch, demand my money back, and I'd never buy anything from that store ever again.

Good place to race. Nice people, great beer etc. Road racing and open wheel are the big deal...stock cars are a short track Saturday night thing, i.e. no superspeedways. Lots of enthusiasm at amateur/club level. Gas is expensive compared to US. Similar chain brands i.e. Ramada Inn, Best Western, etc. Some NAPA, but biggest is Canadian Tire. Visa, Mastercard big, Amex less so. Debit cards are popular (Interac/Cirrus etc.)  McDonalds, Burger King, for fast food. Must trys: Tim Hortons (legendary up here ) and Harveys for burgers. Ask for Poutine (fries with melted cheese and gravy). Major brews are Labatt's and Molson...lots of micro/local brews. Sleeman's is good. Bud/Coors etc. brewed under license, but at 5% alcohol. Don't get caught DUI or speeding more than 50kph over posted limit....big penalties. 100 kph=62 mph. Freeways typically posted for 100 kph. Many US fuel cards work here, i.e. Exxon, Mobil, Sunoco. Fuel measured in litres. Your insurance should cover Canada and your driver's license is good here too. You need a passport, especially to get back to the US. Check border crossing well in advance as there are long lineups at the border on holiday weekends. Major holidays are May 31 (Victoria Day) July 1 (Canada Day) and Sept. 1 (Labour Day) Aug 1 is Civic Day (different names in each province) except Quebec. Hope this helps!