Topic: 1st lemon advice

Hello, fellow lemoners!  I've been looking at the Lemons series for a while, and I've got the bug.  I'm thinking of buying something simple at first, just prep it & race just so I can get my feet wet, but...  I have my eye on a special "little" car.  I hear it was one of the most aerodynamicly efficient cars of it's day!  A 1950 Nash Ambassador Aeroflyte!  If I can talk the guy down to next to nothing, I figure I can cannibalize another running car for drivetrain, suspension & brakes.  What do you guys think?  Too heavy?  Might run of course, if not fall over in the 1st turn?  If this sounds foolhardy enough, I might just continue to pursue this line of thinking.  Not sure if this would be a Lemons first, but it strikes me as epic!

I am mentally divergent in that I am escaping certain unnamed realities that plague my life there. When I stop coming here, I will be well...

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Ah, and here she is:

http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af242/TheDarkYak/nash.jpg

I am mentally divergent in that I am escaping certain unnamed realities that plague my life there. When I stop coming here, I will be well...

3 (edited by EyeMWing 2010-07-07 04:00 PM)

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If it's light enough (under 4200lbs at the factory), or you can get it waivered (contact link up top), DO IT.

... And I hope you're a hell of a mechanic and fabricator. I'd also recommend buying a Miata or E30 or something equally lame, stupid and reliable to run a few races in the meantime, so you can concentrate on building that thing properly and get your teammates addicted so they don't bail when that project goes full on nuclear crazy.

Driver, Pit Monkey, Rod Buster and Engine Fire Starter
Team FinalGear

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Hell Yes !!  Do it !!

Matt Z
Baghdad Taxi
2010 - Capitol Offense 79th place CRX hybrid (burns both gas and oil)
2010 - Longest Day 24 hour at Nelson Ledges

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YES yes YES

El Capitan de los Bastardos De Lemons
1993 Linco Mark Ate
1957 Renault Dauphine
Driver with LemonSpeed's V6 Mustang

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You can use a body like that over almost any chassis or floorpan, Do it!

Rich DeFrancisco
Chump Change Racing aka "The Bridesmaids"
1986 BMW 535im
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I like it!

Jer / Schumacher Taxi Service
2010 Spring CMP I.O.E. winner
2010 Sebring overall winner
1996 Miata, 1991 BMW E30, 1987 coROLLa (retired), 1984 Citation (retired), 1993 Miata (retired)

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Looks like a good start on a street car, IMHO.  Too nice to turn Lemon.

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Don't paint it or theme it.
The car itself is theme enough.

Yee-Haw 2010 "Most Heroic Fix" & "I Got Screwed" -2 trophies for 1 lap, but I took checkered on my lap.
Gator-O-Rama 2012 "Organizers Choice" -2 laps 1 trophy, but i still finished ahead of an E30
Yee-Haw 2013 No trophy -26 laps, I think I see a pattern here
Gator-O-Rama 2014 "Waiting for the Last Minute Call from the Governor Award" -who's counting? John

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Why not do it as a first timer?  Think of the learning curve!

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Lemonade Time Racing wrote:

Don't paint it or theme it.
The car itself is theme enough.

Exactly what I was thinking.  I mean, just look at it!  I don't think it can be improved upon.

Did a little research, and I found that the car only weighed 3300 lbs - ish.  The weight shouldnt be much of an issue.  The handling the suspension, hmmm...  That will be quite suspect.  The steering should be crappy, & the brakes worse. 

As long as the floors prove to be solid enough,  I'm tempted to run it as is, and spend my remaining budget on motor & gearbox.  Wheelbase seems to be in pick-up truck range(121 in.).  I could mount the body to a Silverado frame & enjoy all of the handling benefits gained there... hmm  It would be added weight(maybe too much) but sadly, might be an improvement. 

I don't think I want to butcher the car too much unless the floors & chassis are shot, in which case, it's anything goes.  Gonna go look at the car in person this weekend!

I am mentally divergent in that I am escaping certain unnamed realities that plague my life there. When I stop coming here, I will be well...

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Is it just me or did this car just appear on a Jalopnik Project Car Hell?

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2010/07/50_nash_airflyte-ss.jpg

Driver, Pit Monkey, Rod Buster and Engine Fire Starter
Team FinalGear

13 (edited by EricTheBrown 2010-07-08 11:18 AM)

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EyeMWing wrote:

Is it just me or did this car just appear on a Jalopnik Project Car Hell?

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/j … yte-ss.jpg

Wow!!  That is the very one!  Or should I say 2?  Just need the one, but if he won't part them, I could sell off one to offset the price.  Not sure if there is a huge market for those cars though.  I guess I could build 2 Lemons!

I am mentally divergent in that I am escaping certain unnamed realities that plague my life there. When I stop coming here, I will be well...

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Yeah, I used it for Project Car hell last weekend. Excellent choice for a Lemons car!

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Judge Phil wrote:

Yeah, I used it for Project Car hell last weekend. Excellent choice for a Lemons car!

Lolololol

Is that what you think of us? Hell bent on self-abuse?

Or are we more MacGyvers of the motorway: Making it work with what we got

Yee-Haw 2010 "Most Heroic Fix" & "I Got Screwed" -2 trophies for 1 lap, but I took checkered on my lap.
Gator-O-Rama 2012 "Organizers Choice" -2 laps 1 trophy, but i still finished ahead of an E30
Yee-Haw 2013 No trophy -26 laps, I think I see a pattern here
Gator-O-Rama 2014 "Waiting for the Last Minute Call from the Governor Award" -who's counting? John

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Crown Vic chassis/drivetrain underneath. just need to mod the wheel wells a bit...

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Sure, but it's those fully-covered wheel wells that make it so remarkable. You really wouldn't want to change that. Plus just think of the aero gains that you get from it smile

Pat Mulry, TARP Racing #67

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Mulry wrote:

Sure, but it's those fully-covered wheel wells that make it so remarkable. You really wouldn't want to change that. Plus just think of the aero gains that you get from it smile

Well, i wasn't thinking about UN-covering them, that's for sure! I'm sure moving the tubs in the rear would work great big_smile

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Uncovering those wheels is the last thing I want to do to this beauty.  In fact the more I think about it, the less I want to molest this thing.  Yeah, it's gonna have a bastard of a drivetrain, but when it rolls out to the track, I think it should look pretty much as it does in the picture. 

People are starting to question my sanity, but I must have this car!! (s)  My team thus far consists of 1 guy who isn't a mechanic, 2 guys that are half assed with a wrench, and one guy who can weld.(and has a welder) 

maybe it seems far-fetched, but I've heard, where there's a wheel, there's a way.  And with 2 cars, that makes 8 wheels!  That's a lot of ways!

I have a feeling this is going to be one of the worst planned hair brained ideas I've ever had.

Oh yeah, and thanks a lot for encouraging me, guys...

I am mentally divergent in that I am escaping certain unnamed realities that plague my life there. When I stop coming here, I will be well...

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I'm going to against the grain and ask, why Lemons that?

If the effort was made to make that run and drive, why not let it live on?

At Lemons it will be beat into the ground and or wrecked.

I encourage making this car live again, but grab an Escort or a Cavalier to detroy at Lemons.

Let this car live.

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EricTheBrown wrote:

People are starting to question my sanity, but I must have this car!! (s)  My team thus far consists of 1 guy who isn't a mechanic, 2 guys that are half assed with a wrench, and one guy who can weld.(and has a welder) 

maybe it seems far-fetched, but I've heard, where there's a wheel, there's a way.  And with 2 cars, that makes 8 wheels!  That's a lot of ways!

I have a feeling this is going to be one of the worst planned hair brained ideas I've ever had.

Oh yeah, and thanks a lot for encouraging me, guys...

Let's see our team consisted of a computer programmer, an unemployed corporate trainer, an insurance adjuster and a college activities director.  And we built the damned Wartburg.

Buy it, make it so.  Dropping it on a truck/crown vic/caprice chassis is just plain simple.

SimplyKC wrote:

I'm going to against the grain and ask, why Lemons that?
If the effort was made to make that run and drive, why not let it live on?
At Lemons it will be beat into the ground and or wrecked.
I encourage making this car live again, but grab an Escort or a Cavalier to detroy at Lemons.
Let this car live.

Our car was neither beat into the ground nor wrecked.  Most Lemons competitors give respect to the oddballs along with a wide berth.  Ours now lives on to begin her transformation into a street cruiser which shall prowl NJ in search of unsuspecting teens in their hondas.

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BLUTO: "We're just the guys to do it."

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SimplyKC wrote:

I'm going to against the grain and ask, why Lemons that?

If the effort was made to make that run and drive, why not let it live on?

At Lemons it will be beat into the ground and or wrecked.

I encourage making this car live again, but grab an Escort or a Cavalier to detroy at Lemons.

Let this car live.

you really are a rookie aren't ya? the smash'em kill'em days of Lemons have been over since roughly mid-08. these days a neglected treasure like that who's too far-gone for a restorer to dig into (thus the lemons-legal pricetag) can truly live again in a Lemons race. True, most of the cars on the track are over-produced, under-maintained piles of anonymity, but there ARE legendary unique heaps that pop up at these races. Look at the Police Brutality Thunderbird if you disbelieve. That car wouldn't have even made a good paperweight before Jeff got his claws on it.

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Serj wrote:
SimplyKC wrote:

I'm going to against the grain and ask, why Lemons that?

If the effort was made to make that run and drive, why not let it live on?

At Lemons it will be beat into the ground and or wrecked.

I encourage making this car live again, but grab an Escort or a Cavalier to detroy at Lemons.

Let this car live.

you really are a rookie aren't ya? the smash'em kill'em days of Lemons have been over since roughly mid-08. these days a neglected treasure like that who's too far-gone for a restorer to dig into (thus the lemons-legal pricetag) can truly live again in a Lemons race. True, most of the cars on the track are over-produced, under-maintained piles of anonymity, but there ARE legendary unique heaps that pop up at these races. Look at the Police Brutality Thunderbird if you disbelieve. That car wouldn't have even made a good paperweight before Jeff got his claws on it.

Here here!

I often hear that something is "too good to LeMonize," but how many of these cars were really going to be picked up by collectors, restored and then set to concourse.  I'll give you a hint, the answer is somewhere between 0 and 1.  Lemons projects a. get finished, b. get driven and c. receive more status and acclaim that almost any "restored" vehicle. 

Build it, race it, break it, fix it, race it again.

-Kyle
Eyesore Racing
"That's probably wrong, but it's worth a shot."

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Very true.  Our 535i was sitting under a tree for six years full of filled trash bags and wet newspapers. To make it back as a driveable car or restore it would be a waste of money.  I was inspired by 04 Rabbit Man to look back at older race cars to see what I could spoof.  He did a better job than me of making the Audi look like the old Group B cars, but I copied an old BMW 3.0csl on my 535.  $30 worth of spray paint and masking tape, an $8 Pull-A-Part Prelude spoiler on the roof and it looks pretty respectible.  Could I show up at a BMW CCA Club Race with it?  No.  But it looks kind of cool as a wannabe at Lemons.  I even copied the Alpina lettering with "Zitronen", German for Lemons.

Rich DeFrancisco
Chump Change Racing aka "The Bridesmaids"
1986 BMW 535im
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25 (edited by Crab Spirits 2010-07-12 04:31 AM)

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Here is your theme.
http://spalmer62.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/aa_car.jpg

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